Saturnyne
Vice Admiral
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Interesting that we fixate on Telamon -- Tolwyn killed far more Kilrathi during the war, and no one seems to mind <G>
So did Dr. Severin, and he's not been brought up once.
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Interesting that we fixate on Telamon -- Tolwyn killed far more Kilrathi during the war, and no one seems to mind <G>
Originally posted by Raptor
A doctor I might not be, but I spent the past seven odd years studying and working with them, so I have a fair idea how they think. No doctor in his right mind performs unncessary surgury that impairs his patient more than is needed. (First, do no harm, remember?) And he certainly doesn't do it without that patient's consent. Any doctor who did that would not only loose his license but find himself on criminal charges.
Originally posted by Nemesis
You just condemned democracy and pluralism. (Let’s hold those reins a bit tighter, shall we?)
Originally posted by Raptor
Tolwyn's track record wasn't all that good towards the end, what with thinking Grecko's paln to board the Hakagas would never work, losing the Behemoth, failing to take out a pretty rag-tag bunch of Border Worlders, and so on. Not only that Tolwyn is only one man, and a pretty old one at that. Who's to say that he would even be *alive* when the bugs attacked?
The mass murder approach, it's called where I come from.
Besides, just what do you think would have happened to Confed when the immensely powerfull "lost" Pilgrim fleet arrived, and found Tolwyn had just slaughtered their people. A major ass kicking would have been the least of our worries.
Originally posted by LeHah
Agreed. Personally, I'd go with the latter. The "Keyser Soze approach", as it were.
Originally posted by LeHah
I actually agreed with Tolwyn's threat. You might blame him on murdering millions upon millions of Pilgrims, but what kind of leader was Aristee when she wouldn't attempt to save them?
Who's more at fault?
Originally posted by LeHah
Behemoth was lost due to extenuating circumstances from a certain Kilrathi spy, and attacked (in a cowardly fashion, I'd like to add) by Kilrathi cloak fighters.
Originally posted by LeHah
I'd argue the point of Tolwyn's age but I'm not quite sure of the time elapsed between WC4 and Prophecy off the top of my head.
Originally posted by LeHah
Considering the stuff we've seen and read Tolwyn do over the years, it's easy to say he doesn't take anyone's shit. Tolwyn says "I have to win this or it's over for me" and plows through his opponent with nothing short of devine agression and irreligious impunity. Sure, the Pilgrim fleet was pretty damned hard to kill, but I have complete confidence in Tolwyn's complete lack of diplomacy to pull a "Grand Admiral Thrawn" on her sorry religious ass.
Originally posted by LeHah
Pilgrims were, for the most part, docile people after the Pilgrim War. Many were exiled to McDaniel's World and two other planets. Any type of "rebellion" action would easily be able to be put down by Confed. Worst case scenario: Pin-point orbital bombardment.
Originally posted by LeHah
Behemoth was lost due to extenuating circumstances from a certain Kilrathi spy, and attacked (in a cowardly fashion, I'd like to add) by Kilrathi cloak fighters.
Ok well I must say that what tolywn did could be seen as necessary and not unnecessary, it all depends on one's point of view.
ok maybe I am the only one, but i fail to see why condeming democracy is a bad thing, it is flawed system based on 2 very flawed assumptions.
the flawed assumptions I refer to is that people are capable of effective self government and that a million men are wiser than one man, neither of which has ever been proven to be correct and i am willing to bet never will since, well they aren't, at least in my opinion. just look at all the idiots who walk down the street everyday, do they know or have any inkling as to what is best for the economy? what is the best course to follow in foriegn affairs? which research projects derserve money, and which do not? what the best way to educate our young is? whether or not the government should raise or lower taxes? the answer of course is no, only educated people who know something about these topics can actually have a big enough clue to know what any of the things i listed are about, and yet it is everbody who decides these issues in a democracy, i say bring back Plato's republic and put it into practice, allow the educated and intelligent to rule and the world would be a better place.
Yes. Brutal but effective.
Originally posted by Raptor
It wasn't neccessary because we kicked Nephilim carapace *without* slaughtering billions of our own. [/B]
Originally posted by Zim
That's not cowardly, it's called tactical advantage.
Originally posted by Raptor
Which would, of course, explain how the democraies are the worst performing countries in world in the economic, politcal, and social sense. That's wht one party states and absolute monarchies ruled by a self selected elite have throught this century beaten the democratic states in every major conflict.
Oh, wait that didn't happen, did it? The most militarily powerfull country in the world, probably the most powerfull country that has ever existed in human history, is a democracy. The economic power and wealth is in those counties rather than in the monarcies and one party states. The First World War, the Second World War and the Cold War were all won by the largely democratic states rather than by the those ruled by a small elite. Hmmm, maybe there's something to be said for democracy after all.
As for pulling a "Thrawn", keep in mind that Grand Admiral Thrawn was beaten in the end. And besides, I didn't see Tolwyn pulling a Thrawn when he got his butt kicked by rag-tag bunch of Border Worlders, when the Behemoth got blown up, or when when the Kilrathi cruisers were going to nuke Earth. If it hadn't been Kruger and Jukaga, anyone on Earth who wasn't wearing SPF 15,000,000 sunblock would have been in for a rather bad day.