Midway Class: Undergunned?

The Bug CapShips are realy easy. And the Bugs CapShips seem undergunned for such a devastating race.

Is it just me, or are those turrest realy big ?
 
I meant what was the deeper sense of it to make a difference between both ships,but it is also answered.
Thanks.
 
Originally posted by iCe
The Bug CapShips are realy easy. And the Bugs CapShips seem undergunned for such a devastating race.
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Most of their ships are undergunned. Well except for the Devilray (which still has weaker weapons than the Vampire)all of their ships are fatally undergunned.
Only the Leviathan poses a threat due to its missile turrets. They really failed to give the bugs a frightening aura.
 
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
It is about twice the size of the Midway and carries half of her weaponry. OK, she has the big Plasma Cannon, but she was destroyed without firing it once.
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The Tiamat is around 3000km long, so it's not exactly "about twice the size". And I think the 14 Massers, 6 missile turrets the BFG, and the shit load of fighters it has doesn't make it undergunned.
 
I don't think anybody really claimed that the Nephilim had particularly devestating technology -- I mean, they made short work of some scientists, religious freaks, defeated Kilrathi and recon Excaliburs... but one on one a Nephilim fighter is no match for what the Confederation has to offer. It is their ability to throw huge numbers of ships into combat that makes them scary...

(I do question the term undergunned -- we seem to be pinning it to *every* WC capship... the important question, undergunned compared to *what* should be asked).

That said, the huge Tiamat is pretty darned terrifying.
 
The first time a saw the tiamat, i had something like what maniac used to say: "wow, would you take a look a that boat".

Personaly, i think the midway class isn't undergunned. It's just right. Remember that it is a carrier, not a gunship. The carrier relies on fighters to defend it, not only turrets. Besides, what's the good of having (e.g.) 500 turrets, when you can only use 50 because otherwise you would have a lot of friendly fire (and so you can nail maniac... lol)

[Edited by iCe on 02-24-2001 at 03:52]
 
Excuse me,but am I once again not actual informed or what?
The Midway was destroyed without firing the Plasma Cannon?

????:rolleyes:
 
Well, the Midway doesn't have tons of guns... but it's armed alright. It's got a lot of missile turrets which assist quite a bit, and lend help when you're pursuing a nasty bug who won't pull away from the Midway's bridge.

Besides, it if had tons of guns on a ship that big, that's a lot of repairs to have to make. That, and the point has been made - Why load a huge ship with so many guns when it's got three squadrons of fighters to cover its butt? Doesn't seem economical to me.
 
LOAF is right, the Capships being used by the Bugs are quite efective, better or worst of ConFed I really cant say but look at this.....

Orca Class

Class Destroyer
Max Velocity 75 kps
Acceleration 25 kps^2
Y/P/R 6/6/6 deg/s
Rotational Acceleration 4 deg/s^2
Guns Turreted Maser (14)
Turret Strength 400 cm
Missiles 4x1 IR
Turret Strength 600 cm
Decoys N/A
Front Shield Phase Shields
Rear Shield Phase Shields
Bridge Armor 2600 cm
Bridge Shield Emitter 800 cm
Engine Armor 2600 cm
Jump Capable Yes


Murphy Class

Class Destroyer
Length ??? meters
Max Velocity 240 kps
Acceleration 55 kps^2
Y/P/R 5/5/5 deg/s
Rotational Acceleration ??? deg/s^2
Guns Dual Laser Turrets (3), Laser Turrets (4)
Turret Strength 800 cm
Missiles 2x2 IR
Decoys N/A
Front Shield Phase Shields
Rear Shield Phase Shields
Bridge Armor 2500 cm
Left/Right Engine Armor 2500 cm
Fighter Complement Light
Jump Capable Yes


Well its seen that the bugs do have better Destroyers that ConFed......
 
As with any type of Cap Ship, their strength lies for what they were designed to do as a part of a CARGRU or Squadron. In Confed, the Plunkett Cruiser has a great deal of firepower. This is because a cruiser is designed to destroy other CapShips. It also has a good amount of armor.

The Murphy Destroyer doesn't have much offensive weaponry (I think that it only has Torp Launchers). What it does have is a good amount of laser turrets, and missile launchers. The Murphys also has a small fighter compliment. This is because a Destoyer is used in defense from fighters.

Now the carrier, the heart of a CARGRU is used to carry fighters. The heart of a carrier's offensive as well as defensive capability lies in its fighter compliment. There are just enough turrets on a carrier to cover every inch of it, but it is the fighters that are responsible for the protection of the carrier.
 
I don't know -- in a battle between an Orca and a Murphy, the Murphy probably has the advantage... since it carries fighters, torpedo tubes and has missile turrets (and it's much, much faster)
 
Originally posted by Earthworm
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
It is about twice the size of the Midway and carries half of her weaponry. OK, she has the big Plasma Cannon, but she was destroyed without firing it once.
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The Tiamat is around 3000km long, so it's not exactly "about twice the size". And I think the 14 Massers, 6 missile turrets the BFG, and the shit load of fighters it has doesn't make it undergunned.
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In terms of AA weapons it is undergunned. No more turrets than a destroyer (Orca class) and six missile turrets (okay no ship has more, exceptfor the Leviathan, but no other ship is a dreadnought or a Battleship). It does not even have strong armour compared to the Plunkett class Cruiser. And with that slow speed the Plasma weapon is only good at hitting stationary targets.

Manjana: The Tiamat was destroyed before firing one shot of its plasma weapons.

[Edited by Mekt-Hakkikt on 02-25-2001 at 05:51]
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
I don't think anybody really claimed that the Nephilim had particularly devestating technology -- I mean, they made short work of some scientists, religious freaks, defeated Kilrathi and recon Excaliburs... but one on one a Nephilim fighter is no match for what the Confederation has to offer. It is their ability to throw huge numbers of ships into combat that makes them scary...
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So what is the difference to the Kilrathi?


(I do question the term undergunned -- we seem to be pinning it to *every* WC capship... the important question, undergunned compared to *what* should be asked).
That said, the huge Tiamat is pretty darned terrifying.
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Compared to the Midway it is undergunned.

[Edited by Mekt-Hakkikt on 02-25-2001 at 05:55]
 
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
It does not even have strong armour compared to the Plunkett class Cruiser.
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What? It's armor around the engine and bridge is 3200, the hangar is 2500, and it has additional shield emitters that make the ship indestructible untill they are taken out.
The Tiamat was destroyed before firing one shot of its plasma weapons.
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What was it supposed to fire it at? Some fighter wings?:)
 
The Midway is a *CARRIER.* It doesn't NEED heavy guns - just enough air-defense guns to keep the bad guys' fighters away until it can get its point defense ships in the air.

If a carrier is directly threatened by enemy capital ships, it's in grave danger.
 
Ditto for the Tiamat, or perhaps the opposite.

The Tiamat is a dreadnaught, designed for killing enemy fleets. She really requires support, both from her own fighter squadrons and escort carriers & destroyers for protection from enemy fighters. Get her within range of an enemy capship or fleet and that Ship Killer is gonna make toast of them.
 
I think that a dreadnought, as the most fearsome weapon, should have enough AA armament to defend against fighters. And with that slow speed it would toast nothing unless the target is even slower. What I meant was that even its super weapon did not save it from destruction.
I mean normally the bigger the ship gets the more AA weapons it carries, even if it is assigned to different tasks. Look the Plunkett is designed to take out enemy capships but still it has plenty of Laser turrets against fighters.
OK, the Tiamat has slightly superior bridge armor but slightly inferior engine armor. But these differences are not enough to force you to shoot a torpedo more at it than at a Plunkett. And that shield generators: they really never were any problem to destroy. The Tiamat just has 200cm more armor than a bug cruiser (which also is seriously undergunned)
Did the Tiamat cause you more trouble than an Orca? Except for having to fire more torpedos at it?
 
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