Adventures in Explorations: WC1 Edition

Discussion in 'General Wing Commander Chat' started by UnnamedCharacter, Mar 30, 2018.

  1. AD

    AD Finder of things, Doer of stuff

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    Art-wise I thought of that too... just swap one of the female pilots for Blair. However with WC2 you would also need to end up re-recording a bunch of dialogue - particularly in the intro - to allow for the gender change. There's a number of other voiced cutscenes as well IIRC. WC2 also has a couple of cutscenes that are an early animation format. The Blair/Angel kiss isn't an issue if those are the characters you are swapping. As far as I can tell the game just mirrors people depending on if they are on the left or right... I'm not sure if that presents any problems for Blair's different uniform in the WC2 intro or not. The other animation that would need art would be the takeoff/landing animations when the canopy opens/closes, but that's an issue for both WC1 and 2.
     
  2. Quarto

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    Well, WC2 in the way it was actually created, poses more of a challenge than that. Swapping Blair and Angel either means some major narrative changes, or it means swapping Blair and Angel's roles around K'tithrak Mang and the stealth fighters, too. That generates all sorts of issues.
     
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    I used your tool to extract the WC2 fonts (I think I have the CD version loaded right now.) but I'm not seeing any of the extra Western European fonts. Can somebody please upload all the WE fonts images so I can start working on them. Thanks.
     
  4. UnnamedCharacter

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    The Western European font comes from the French or German version of WC2.
     
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    I guessed as much @UnnamedCharacter, would you please post the extracted WC2 font files for me. I would like to try to add them to the WC font I created.
    Thanks for your help. :D
     
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    Thank you, but I'm not interested in the patchs I'm interested in the extracted WC2 Font files. I would like to add them to the Windows font I was building.
     
  8. UnnamedCharacter

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    Here you are.
     

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    Thank you @UnnamedCharacter I appreciate your help. Do we know if the German fonts have any additional characters that aren't in the French?
     
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    I was going to blindly answer yes, but I decided to double-check and it turns out there are differences. I noticed two different accented characters (top: German, bottom: French):

    wc2-fonts.png
     

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    Thank you @UnnamedCharacter I appreciate your help. Now it's time for me to get to work.
     
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    I was directed to this thread when I asked about renders above 360px.

    Has anyone made any attempt to increase what size image the program will handle? As a follow up question, the default resolution for WC2 is higher then WC1. What is the max size for WC2, and if it is a fair sized bigger, could WC1 as a game, be "ported" (painfully I'm sure) to the WC2 engine? What about WC Privateer?

    Thanks
     
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    Dyret Super Carrot!

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    I don't think that scene was ever not a problem. :p
     
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    I believe the sprite size limit can be increased (or removed), but I won't have any time to look into it for at least two more weeks. The game resolution cannot be improved without massive effort, which limits the usefulness of increasing the sprite limit by more than, say, 2x.

    The game resolution is not any bigger, and there's also no sense of a "default" resolution; all DOS WC titles prior to WC3 are locked at 320x200.
     
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    WCIV was supposed to have a higher res option, but it didn't make into the final game if my memory serves well.
     
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    You know, it's to bad that the latest space sim engine we have to use is FS2. It especially sucks that last I heard, there was no way to remove the "curved turn" that FS had. :( I thought I read that someone had made a flight engine on their own but I don't know how it's features compare to FS2.

    Edit: About DOS games being locked at 360px. Any chance that can now be manipulated since they re-released it for Windows?

    I thought at least Privateer had a higher res but maybe not. I don't even want to know what be involved in making a modern sprite based space game engine. lol I don't do programming. :)

    Just a very out of the box idea, but you could do one of 2 things in 1 of 2 engines.

    You could recreate the games in the FS engine, or the other engine someone made using 3d models and if you wanted to keep a more WC 1/2 look you could do that both with modeling and texturing.

    The second idea (and this is probably totally 100% impossible) but could you "lock" a 2D sprite ship/object into a true 3D environment like the FS game engine by using a small polygon cube as its centre, which you would never see since it would be hidden by the sprites. As long as you could use a very small cube you'd never see it. I know, that is a VERY out of the box thought, but I just woke up so you get to read me ramble on about whatever. lol

    Another rambling thought. If the true limit is not so much the pixel dimensions but the total bytes, and the biggest offenders to developing this "OMG, the pixels! They're SO big! The goggles, they do NOTHING!!!" Are large objects like capital ships and starbases, could you actually increase the pixel resolution by cutting back, not increasing, the number of "animation key frames" for lack of a better term. Multi-layered gif/png animations, if you prefer. You don't move around a large object at the same speed as a small object so you might be able to get away with fewer frames. Whether it is worth it or not, I wouldn't know unless I saw it/tried it.

    Absolutely last crazy idea. Could more then 1 sprite object be properly aligned and linked to each other to make ships that are made out of more then 1 sprite model? Then you could go above the total limit per ship. Yes, I am crazy, thanks for asking. :)
     
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    Howard Day Random art guy.

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    Well. :) If you'll wait just a biiiit... https://techraptor.net/content/erich-schaefer-rebel-galaxy-outlaw
    Specifically this: "If the devs decide not to make DLC, the fans might be able to do it. “We are gonna have much better mod support this time. It should be prettyeasy for players to make their own ships, their own missions, their own style of games.” Erich related a tale to me where his co-founder Travis Baldtree had recreated the entirety of Wing Commander: Privateer in the game’s engine. While their Star Wars pitch never got off the ground, fans will surely take it upon themselves to make something like that happen anyway."
    And as a glimpse of the aforementioned re-creation ( )
    There's hope, is what I'm sayin.
     
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    You could do a lot with an engine like that, and yes, you could do a straight "graphics enhanced" but faithful conversion for a game like Privateer but I've found that if you truly want to do a faithful update you can't stray to far from the original game. This much more up to date engine would lend itself better to an "enhanced" updated for the modern era, version since it has capabilities that the original team could never even conceive of. The problem is where do you find a pixel based engine to MAKE an updated version of the older games? I have heard of a sprite upgrade project that involves Doom, and from what I saw, they seem to be able to get higher pixel resolutions that you can get in WC, but I have no clue if a Doom, or Doom 2 engine could support a wide open skyboxed universe like with a WC game, or if it is moddable to that extent.

    Obviously, finding a way around the 360px limit in the actual game would be the easiest way to go, assuming a way even exists, but if I understand correctly, right now you have no idea what is even involved in removing that limit.

    Thanks for the link though! I'm ready to throw my money at them at any time. lol

    Edit: I'd actually love to take a look at the textured models. Are they up on the wcnews site or have you kept the 3D models yourself? (Which would be understandable since I'm sure you put a lot of work into them.)

    Edit2: And that engine better be able to do beam canons!
    I'd also take wide area explosion nukes, and the ability to manipulate the gravity that an object produces. ;)
     
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    Can you use this to figure out how to achieve a silver star in Bimstone 2? THAT is a MAJOR piece of info I'm looking for!
     
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    Very nice!!!
     

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