Old Vs New
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Most of the FPS games have what they call "violence settings" which means you can set it for tons of gore, or no gore. I think the only game out there that is an FPS type game that does not show gore are the Star Wars games, such as Jedi Knight DFII and the new Jedi Outcast game. All of the others, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, heck, even the old Doom had gore!
I used to be a heavy fan of FPS shooters duirng the heyday of Doom and Quake 1. Shortly after Quake 2 came out, the FPS games became BOARING. Same ol thing, run around, hit some switches, open up secret doors and shoot everything in sight. (YAWN)
Id rather sit around and watch the cars rust in the desert!
And I still cannot believe that LucasArts used the Quake 3 engine for Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast! ?????
RFB
The Anomalies Network TEM forum moderator
I used to be a heavy fan of FPS shooters duirng the heyday of Doom and Quake 1. Shortly after Quake 2 came out, the FPS games became BOARING. Same ol thing, run around, hit some switches, open up secret doors and shoot everything in sight. (YAWN)
Id rather sit around and watch the cars rust in the desert!
And I still cannot believe that LucasArts used the Quake 3 engine for Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast! ?????
RFB
The Anomalies Network TEM forum moderator
The nice thing about FPSs (and car games) is that there is little story. So you can pick it up, play it for an hour or so, then drop it for a week or two. With games like WC, I'd get caught up in it and play for hours and hours and hours. Mindless entertainment with little or no personal investment can be a nice diversion every now and then.
I recently picked up Quake 2 as part of a bundle and was a bit disappointed with the cutscenes in between levels. Granted I wasn't expecting much but a still of the area I had just cleared was a bit of a let down. IIRC, Half-Life did have some kind of transitional scene that moved the story along so it had that going for it. And yeah, the Inter-dimensional Invasion thing wasn't by any means original, but neither was the Humans Vs Alien Space War at the time WC was king - what made WC special was it's implementation of the story.
No offense, but (if you like WC) you don't seem to have a problem playing a GAME where you "instinctively" shoot at a person in a fighter and the effect of that person's death are not shown. Hey, your opinion is your opinion but you seem to condemn FPS because they allow the player to kill others yet non-FPSs (Red Alert, Everquest, WC, etc) do very much the same thing. Now if you're actually saying that FPSs glorify the killing by accentuating the gore…well I can see a case for that.
A few games manage to work with the atmosphere. The AvP games are probably the best known of this type. One of my freakiest moments playing the first game was while I was playing the marine missions and I blew the legs off of an alien - the thing kept coming! Sure, it wasn't running anymore (the shredded remains of its legs were lying in a puddle of acid on the floor, after all), but it was using its arms to slowly crawl across the floor toward me! I paused for a moment in pure, freaked out admiration of the group that had designed the game, and then blew its head off (the one sure way to stop the things).
Unfortunately, the second game only registers whether or not you hit the head (can't blow the legs off in that one), but it still finds other ways to keep the atmosphere suitably creepy through the usual tricks such as having inanimate objects swaying in the breeze so that your motion sensor gets set off.
Delta_Strife
Rear Admiral
I love gore. Nothing better then watching blood hit the wall when you nail your opponent with a gun or rocket! Sometimes there can be to much gore but other times you just expect it to happen.
Personally, I'm not interested in the gore so much. A little blood can be a nice touch if done correctly, but I could really care less if there's a red smear on the wall after they get hit with a rocket. The reason I think the 'removable limbs' is a nice feature on the aliens is because it enhances the atmosphere in the game. People who've lost their legs don't typically crawl on their arms to get you. Savage creatures, such as the xenomorphs, do.
In that context, it was a nice touch.
It also helps to enhance the impending sense of panic when the things keep getting back up again after yet another hail of fire (you want to use enough ammo to do the job right, so you let loose with a burst, but you don't want to waste all your ammo, so you make it a quick burst, and hope the thing STAYS DOWN!!!).
Also, one of my favorite conversational exchanges occurred while watching my little brother play. My dad and I were clustered around my computer while my younger brother played. It was in one of the earlier missions, and he 'cleared' a section of the passageway and confidently started walking forward. Of course, the motion tracker doesn't cover what's behind you, and before he knew it, a xenomorph had run up behind him. He turned at the last moment (the shrieks are probably what tipped him off), and killed it. Same thing happened again. He was starting to wonder about this, and commented something to the effect of, "I thought I'd cleared this passageway."
I smirked and said, "You've never seen the movies, have you?" My dad and I both chuckled over that.
And no, my brother hasn't seen them.
That reminds me of when my roommate was playing that game! His scanner was going off, and he shot the hell out of this alien-then I jumped at him and screamed, so he just started firing! The best thing was that an alien jumped in right after that and he had to kill it! I thought the man was gonna have a heartattack!
Now THAT'S gettin' into a game! I know I get like that when I play Ghost Recon sometimes! (I've never been a big FPS unless it's these "Special Forces/Secret Ops" types things.)
Wedge009
Rogue Leader
My Windows 98 Pentium and my Windows 3.1 and DOS 386.
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I'm Christian too, I tend to avoid FPS games in general too, but I love GoldenEye and Perfect Dark. I could never take another person's life in cold blood, and I don't feel these games affect my decision to kill or not in real life that much. It's a difficult debate - violence and gore in games - maybe it's just in a country like Australia where guns aren't everywhere (I hope not, anyway), that I'm less exposed to the possibility of going crazy on a killing spree.
LeHah
212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
Since when is being Christian not allow you to play FPS games?
And, Christ Almighty, since when did Christians not have a huge bloody history of slaughtering millions of people during the Crusades, which apparently, is a meek and minor sin compared to killing a Pigcop in Duke Nukem 3D.
And, Christ Almighty, since when did Christians not have a huge bloody history of slaughtering millions of people during the Crusades, which apparently, is a meek and minor sin compared to killing a Pigcop in Duke Nukem 3D.
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