WC2 and WC3 ships

Originally posted by Penguin
Quarto: But a ship as important as the Concordia ought to have escorts at all times. Assuming that we'll find some 'stray' destroyer' isn't good enough.

Unfortunately, during those periods of time when the Concordia is without an escort, its usually due to the fact that its escort recently went *boom!* off screen. I think its safe to assume that it just takes Confed (presumably Tolwyn) a little juggling to pull a destroyer from its assigned duties elsewhere and reassign it to escorting the Concordia.
 
IIRC the Concordia spent most of WC2 and SO1 & 2 without escorts. Surely Confed wasn't in such dire straits that they couldn't pull a destroyer or cruiser to protect the Connie. I mean we're not talking about a garbage scow here, the Connie's a ship worth protecting, particularly since Confed doesn't have elves in the back making these things :)
 
Well, Penguin, it does seem as though the circumstances of WC2 make the Concordia's lack of escorts quite reasonable, most of the time at least. During the main game, after we lost the Wiliam Tell in Tesla, the Concordia went on the run, and then launched its attack in K'tithrak Mang. We know that Confed wanted to reinforce her, because otherwise Angel wouldn't have caught on to Jazz when he made the Agincourt remark. Afterwards... well, I don't see any reason why the Concordia wouldn't have an escort in SO1, but as for SO2, this seems more reasonable because Confed was obviously very short of equipment in that area after the loss of the Sixth Fleet. It was still stupid of them to send the Concordia in there without escort, but they probably didn't have much choice.
 
Heck. I have to replay WC2 and the other older games. I'm forgetting all the details. Beowulf, Agincourt, Hell's Kitchen or was that Heaven's Gate? :(
 
Originally posted by Penguin
Heck. I have to replay WC2 and the other older games. I'm forgetting all the details. Beowulf, Agincourt, Hell's Kitchen or was that Heaven's Gate? :(

IIRC, Hell's Kitchen was the final system on the losing track of WC1. Agincourt was the slip of the tongue that revealed that Jazz knew a little more than he ought to.
 
The TCS Agincourt, a Waterloo-class cruiser, appears in Heaven's Gate. You fly solo in a missile-less Epee, encountering a bunch of Strakha along the way, and then escort the Mama's Boy (a shipment of missiles) from the Agincourt back to the Concordia. We don't know where the Agincourt went afterwards, but then Jazz mentioned it after the Strakha patrol in Enigma ("It'll be easy, Angel. Once the Agincourt jumps in...").
As for the Beowulf, all we know about it is that it was destroyed before the Concordia made contact with Caernarvon Station.
 
The Beowulf also appears as part of the 14th fleet in the movie novel. I had... some small part in suggesting that. :)
 
Originally posted by Quarto
The TCS Agincourt, a Waterloo-class cruiser, appears in Heaven's Gate. You fly solo in a missile-less Epee, encountering a bunch of Strakha along the way, and then escort the Mama's Boy (a shipment of missiles) from the Agincourt back to the Concordia. We don't know where the Agincourt went afterwards, but then Jazz mentioned it after the Strakha patrol in Enigma ("It'll be easy, Angel. Once the Agincourt jumps in...").
As for the Beowulf, all we know about it is that it was destroyed before the Concordia made contact with Caernarvon Station.

Question. Do you ever get to see a Waterloo in action durring WC2? I would have liked to see the thing in action and escorting the Concordia durring WC2.
 
Waterloo's aren't escorts... they're heavy cruisers... they carry as many fighters as a Ranger and are very heavily armed... *everything* doesn't have to escort the Concordia.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Waterloo's aren't escorts... they're heavy cruisers... they carry as many fighters as a Ranger and are very heavily armed... *everything* doesn't have to escort the Concordia.

Point. But do we ever really get to see them in action in WC2?

Hmm, I wonder how much differently WC3 would have gone had it been a Waterlook rather then a Victory. Just update the turrets to laser turrets, and you got a deadly ship there to hunt down the Kilrathi.
 
Don't you people have any sense of grandeur? If I had the finest ship in the fleet, I'd at least want an escort to go along with it!

After all nothing would impose more than a lot of heavily armed ships. The Empire in SW always had large fleets. Yes, I know it had an untimely end due to a pesky kid, but you can see the point I'm making.

Either way, Palpatine would have been a respectable figure if it were not for his Sith beliefs. Then again, the Jedi were merely fundamentalists on the flip side of the coin. They got killed due to their compacency and elitism.

In some respects, Palpatine and Tolwyn were similar men with similar ideals. Their hearts were in the right place, albeit a bit misguided. They wished to end corruption and give their respective nations some focus.
 
the only time the waterloo appears in wc2 is when you fly to it and see it in ingame animations. it is unfortunate that it doesn't have a greater role. IMHO it is the best looking WC capship.
 
Originally posted by Alyeska

Hmm, I wonder how much differently WC3 would have gone had it been a Waterlook rather then a Victory. Just update the turrets to laser turrets, and you got a deadly ship there to hunt down the Kilrathi.

Turrets to laser turrets...?

Count the number of times the Victory is called upon to engage Kilrathi capital ships. That's how much would change. :)

The Gettysburg in SO1 is a Waterloo class ship -- that's the best chance to see one in the flight engine.
 
Originally posted by Darkmage
the only time the waterloo appears in wc2 is when you fly to it and see it in ingame animations. it is unfortunate that it doesn't have a greater role. IMHO it is the best looking WC capship.

It always reminded me of the ship from the old video game battletoads :)

C-ya
 
Originally posted by Viper61
It always reminded me of the ship from the old video game battletoads :)

Good memory. One of the best games of its time.

About the Waterloo, it is really a shame that it did not appear much. They should have given her more game time than the Gilgameshs.
 
Originally posted by redwolf
Then again, the Jedi were merely fundamentalists on the flip side of the coin. They got killed due to their compacency and elitism.

In some respects, Palpatine and Tolwyn were similar men with similar ideals. Their hearts were in the right place, albeit a bit misguided. They wished to end corruption and give their respective nations some focus.

First point: I'm fairly sure George Lucas hasn't explained exactly how the Jedi are destroyed.

Second point: Its not an admiral's job to determine what society's focus ought to be.
 
Originally posted by Penguin
Second point: Its not an admiral's job to determine what society's focus ought to be.

His job would be carry out orders, without question
 
Originally posted by Millzy


His job would be carry out orders, without question

Except if people in the Confederation carried out orders they'd have gotten into all sorts of trouble. People are disobeying orders all the time.
 
Their job is to carry out orders without question. If thats the case, why didn't that defence work in any war crimes tribunals?

Obviously, an officer is only allowed to follow what's reasonable therefore Tolwyn did what he thought was reasonable.
 
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