WC2 and WC3 ships

Originally posted by pygmypiranha
Possibly the ship discussed in the Victory Streak that was launched about 2669 whose sole mission was the destroy the Kilrathi sector by sector and was never heard from again?
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IIRC, that ship is the Lexington (not from WCIV), and its adventures are kinda sorta (as in no storyline, characters, etc...) depicted in WC Armada.
 
Originally posted by junior


IIRC, that ship is the Lexington (not from WCIV), and its adventures are kinda sorta (as in no storyline, characters, etc...) depicted in WC Armada.
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not so the Victory Streak says and I quote:
To date, no known communications have been recieved from this special mission.
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So it couldn't be the Lexington.
 
The ship mentioned in Victory Streak is indeed the Lexington. It was destroyed (along with it's Kilrathi counterpart).
 
That's a rather different Lexington... That's a Concordia class ship. The Lexington from Armada (of, I assume the Lexington class...) was destroyed.
 
There are only a couple they really reuse. I assume both the Lexington and Concordia are names that are reused because the ships they belong to have been held in such high standings. The more interesting thought would be why there are two lexingtons at the same time! There are a couple of ways one could look at that one...
 
Well, it's implied in the Armada manual that the Lexington is a new ship (though one could still claim that this is simply a case of the Concordia's flight group commander mistaking a refitted ship for a brand new one; of course, in that case, it could be that its name was changed, like with the Gamal Gan). If this was the case, then there wouldn't be two Lexingtons at the same time - the first Lexington gets decommissioned following its destruction in FA, the new Lexington is commisioned. The new Lexington goes missing, but its fate is presumably confirmed after the war is over. Then the old Lexington finishes its refit, and is recommissioned.
 
There has been a wc2-wc3 ships post in the past (I started it :D ).

Here is what I believe.That doesnt mean that are correct so dont be mad with me.The Wc2 ships are just newer than the TCSVictory.I think that the Destroyers and the Cruisers are new in WC3.There are not as big as the Wc2 ones.Their Design is very simple.This means that they probably designed very rushed during the war and cause of the funds they were like that (always compared with the Wc2 ships).The Wc2 Cruiser is much more Glamorous than this from Wc3.

There is something else,that I think that they are new.We see them again in WC4.The war is over!Why are there in the Confed HQ the same type of destroyers and cruisers from WC3 ?Well maybe they are still operational ,but I think that in the ConfedsHQ sould have the best ships of the fleet to protect it.But we see the "Old" Tellahase class cruiser from WC3 in there.
 
I seem to remember a passage in the WC3 novel where Blair rambles that the escorts of the Victory are old too but I can't find it at the moment. Or did he only say that they weren't fully equipped? Damn, where's my novel?
 
Yea, dude you gotta get the books they are so very awesome. You'll have to experience them yourself. Such a very cool experience.
 
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
I seem to remember a passage in the WC3 novel where Blair rambles that the escorts of the Victory are old too but I can't find it at the moment. Or did he only say that they weren't fully equipped? Damn, where's my novel?
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At least the Victory had escorts. The Tiger's Claw didn't and the Concordia's was blown up early and never replaced ingame. Not that the Victory's escorts did that their job completely. I noticed they were conspicuously absent during several defend the Victory missions.
 
Originally posted by Penguin
I noticed they were conspicuously absent during several defend the Victory missions.
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Yea.... I don't think that pulling over to the local Burger King was an option way out there in space so you do have a point. Where the heck were they?
 
Originally posted by TCSTigersClaw
There is something else,that I think that they are new.We see them again in WC4.The war is over!Why are there in the Confed HQ the same type of destroyers and cruisers from WC3 ?Well maybe they are still operational ,but I think that in the ConfedsHQ sould have the best ships of the fleet to protect it.But we see the "Old" Tellahase class cruiser from WC3 in there.
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The ships we see in WC4 are probably not new at all. I mean, they could be, but given Confed's dire economic situation, it's much more likely that they're either war survivors or re-built wrecks (like the Lexington).

Furthermore, there are good reasons to believe that the destroyers and cruisers in WC3 were indeed older than their WC2 counterparts. It is stated in the novel that most of the newer ships had been assigned to the fleet defending Sol. Secondly, would you assign freshly-built ships to defend an old escort carrier, when there are still obsolete Durangos floating about? Worth noting also that in terms of design, the Durango-class (which we know is fairly old) is similar to the WC3 destroyers and cruisers.

Penguin: Actually, the Concordia had two escorts. The first one, the TCS Beowulf, was destroyed before we even saw her (during the Concordia's retreat to Caernarvon), but the second one, the TCS William Tell, stayed with her for most of the game - from Niven to the end of Tesla. At one point in Novaya Kiev, the Concordia also temporarily picked up a stray escort, the TCS Hector. So, the Concordia had escorts whenever it was possible to find them.
 
Originally posted by Penguin


At least the Victory had escorts. The Tiger's Claw didn't ...
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The Bengal class was meant to act without escort for long periods of time, hence the term Strike Carrier.

Here is what I believe.That doesnt mean that are correct so dont be mad with me.The Wc2 ships are just newer than the TCSVictory.I think that the Destroyers and the Cruisers are new in WC3.There are not as big as the Wc2 ones.Their Design is very simple.This means that they probably designed very rushed during the war and cause of the funds they were like that (always compared with the Wc2 ships).The Wc2 Cruiser is much more Glamorous than this from Wc3.

There is something else,that I think that they are new.We see them again in WC4.The war is over!Why are there in the Confed HQ the same type of destroyers and cruisers from WC3 ?Well maybe they are still operational ,but I think that in the ConfedsHQ sould have the best ships of the fleet to protect it.But we see the "Old" Tellahase class cruiser from WC3 in there.
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The Caernaven class Frigates are old as sin and it's mentioned in WC4 that they aren't in confed service anymore, but everyone else has bought them up, so they're incredibly common. The Talahassee class is, I assume, newer... but I don't really know much about it. It's background isn't discussed greatly.
 
I had several comments for this thread discussion, but it looks like most of the questions have been answered. As for the Victory's escorts, they might not have been present in the same nav point as the Victory during Kilrathi raids, but they did play their part in some of the larger fleet movements (presumably the design team didn't think having so many capships together during combat was good idea in terms of memory, processing power, etc). Also, the escorts are most definitely present with the Victory in many missions.
 
Quarto: But a ship as important as the Concordia ought to have escorts at all times. Assuming that we'll find some 'stray' destroyer' isn't good enough.

TC: I know I know. But it doesn't make sense to let such an important vessel wonder around on its own. Surely having a destroyer along wouldn't significantly reduce operational efficiency?

Wedge009: I was referring to a mission in which Eisen tells Blair to escort the Victory as it flees to a jump point (this was in Ariel System IIRC). When I started the mission I noticed the Victory start moving towards the jump point but her escorts stayed still. They were not present at any of the navpoints where the Victory came under attack. And one more thing, I sure could've used their help when the kats launched the skipper :mad:
 
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