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Mjr. Whoopass

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Maj.Striker said:
Truly one of the weakest moments of the episode...amazingly Starbuck is able to fly a damaged Cylon (well wait she patched that one tiny hole with her handy knapsack) and out fly and out maneuver Apollo even though SHE HAS NO VISIBLE INSTRUMENTS OR VIEW OF OUTSIDE THE CYLON RAIDER! Hmm...
I totally agree with you, the plugged up hole seemed like one of the biggest examples of b.s. I've seen in a science fiction show. You can't just put some clothlike material in a hole and consider a ship spaceworthy- when you reach space, your body will meet a violent death from the vaccuum (Unless she left her space suit on? But I think she took her helmet off to breath through the tube). Of course you can use explanations for this though: when you activate the ship, the shields start up and form a protective enclosure, etc.. but since they seemed to realistically model flight dynamics, why didn't they continue the realism? Even if this is so, why did she even bother plugging it up? The "no visible instruments" explanation can be explained with WC4 when you fly through the system that knocks out your radar for several missions. However, it shows that Apollo sucks or that the Viper is inferior. What especially proves that Apollo sucks is that when he loses her, he continues to fly in a straight line long enough for her to fly above him in formation. A good pilot is always "changing planes" in combat. He seemed to fly like a Paktahn pilot on rookie level. Maybe his brother wasn't the only one to "not have the chops" to fly a Viper.
Maj.Striker said:
Apollo grabbing the commander by the lapels? Not in your dreams, buster, I'm not in the military but I know enough to know you do not lay hands on a superior officer. That's a one way trip to the brig... Furthermore, Commander Adamo (sp?) dismissing his executive officer for reminding him of his duty and committment to the fleet? Um...whatever.
I agree.. but time for some more far out explanations: About Apollo grabbing the second in command's lapels: It's good to be the commander's son! And Commander Adama didn't dismiss him because he was reminded of his duty, but rather because he disagreed with him.. kind of lame, but I guess a commander could conceivable do this. Fortunately most of us sci-fi fans (yourself included I'm sure) have good imaginations that can deal with writers that have occasionally over(or under)active imaginations.
 

PeteyG

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LeHah said:
I consider myself fortunate to never see this show.

I also consider myself fortunate to have missed out on B5, Forever Knight, Highlander and various other shitty fanboy shows.
WOW.
 

PeteyG

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The Starbuck-raider thing is probably the lamest thing the show has done so far. I can look past the plugging of the hole, since it is plugged with a space suit; all you'd need to do would be to anchor it pretty tightly (with space glue, or tie it to other components) and it would hold in the atmosphere. I mean, we didn't see that, but no big deal.

The part with the flying back to being within visual distance of Galactica... with no apparent instruments and just an eye slit to look through... yeah. Either Starbuck is a Cylon or she got really really lucky.

re: Apollo's flying skillz. Most everything points to Apollo being a fairly decent pilot, but not a Luke Skywalker (or Chris Blair). I think he talked about going to a war college in the miniseries... which in the US military is mostly for officers who are going places beyond just the cockpit. Who knows? Maybe he didn't want to be like Dad and become a battlestar commander.

There's an episode coming up that goes into Apollo's decent flying skills versus Starbuck's super-hotshot skills.
 

Conrad

Rear Admiral
yeah well, apollo is by no means average at the stick.

It just seems to be that starbuck is meant to be really rather exceptional at piloting.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
So, what's the best place to have our steamy, against-the-rules affair? Hey, there's lots of security at airports these days -- that means no one cares about what goes on there! Lets sneak past the security checkpoint at an international airport and have sex there! This plan can't possibly go horribly wrong! It makes too little sense!

Brilliant! Now put it in space! And then lets have a trial to figure out why the evil aliens that wiped out our civilization would possibly want to bomb our one surviving warship! And then when the trial starts to find evidence that something odd is going on, we'll... have the captain shut it down because it's a witchunt? It worked in 'The Drumhead'! And the only difference there was that they developed a story about it being a witchunt!

Seriously, what the heck? The tribunal proved that people were lying... *WE* know they were lying to cover up their COs steamy security affair -- but no one on the show does...

And then we'll have a completely nonsensical moral: "I can't stand someone lying under oath! He either lied the first time, or the second time!" -- except the first time he wasn't under oath! And when he was under oath, he explained why he'd lied in the interview! Grrrrrrrrrrr.

Also, negative points for admitting that there actually is a code of military conduct.
 

PeteyG

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Low point: Adama calling off the witch hunt, and the master at arms says "restrain the commander", and Worf folds his arms and doesn't do anything.

High point: The chief, angry and full of guilt over his man taking the fall for him, does the right thing and tells off Boomer who wants to keep on like nothing happened.

Ugly point: Making the Caprica scenes look dark with some kind of blue filter... but still having a really bright lens flare in the wide shots. Ick.

Actually, the Specialist guy was under oath both times. The Master at Arms said something about his 'sworn statement about the chief being on the flight deck', and then he made another sworn statement. It was hard to keep track of what was under oath and what wasn't. I am not too familiar with the Articles of Colonization they were citing. : P
 

pygmypiranha

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The episode was fairly tense at times tho...

I did like the whole Adama portion in his quarters showing the Commander building a model. An interesting display of his personality.

I don't entirely agree with the lax security measures or with the whole trial... BUT I think that the grueling of the commander was a bit uncalled for.


A Good episode ... IMO
 

Conrad

Rear Admiral
It wasn't a bad episode,

But i can remember it finding it difficult to watch, some bits didn't sit well for me, mainly the ending...
 

Mjr. Whoopass

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Well, I never cared about the drama very much- I've just wanted to see dogfights in space. That's a trend that's alarming to me in the new series- there seems to be less and less space combat in each episode. The original series had a battles that contained strategic plans on outwitting the Cylons, followed by space battles. The extent of the strategy so far has been: Should we take on the Base Ship or run? After this it's: Let's defend the Battlestar until we jump out whenever a Base ship appears. I still like this because of the eye candy of the space combat, but now I hope it doesn't continue to be a lame space version of "A Few Good Men". MORE SPACE COMBAT!!!!!
 

Conrad

Rear Admiral
Yeah but if i rememeber correctly (i was about 9 last time i sat thru the original), a lot of the shots where reused from previous episodes. This has been apparent in the current series as well, mainly in 33, and the launching scenes. But to a lesser degree than the same "target lock" "fire" "same explosion and sound effect" you got every week in the old series.

But there are some memorable space combat scenes to come. And one episode inwhich the galactica has to stand and fight. Thats all I can say without spoiling it for you guys.
 

PeteyG

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It was BAD in the last episode of DS9. The shots were long, and there was absolutely no way to mistake that they were recycling footage from other episodes (if you had seen those episodes). It's not nearly as bad in the new BSG; how many ways can you spin a 2 second shot of a fighter shooting down a tube?
 

pygmypiranha

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Ohh man I had forgotten how bad the space combat had gotten for DS9. UGGG! I was to the point by the end of DS9 where I actually got EXCITED when I saw a new sequence of space combat... it was like... HOLY CRAP THAT WAS NEW. Geeze... DS9 got really really REALLY lame by the end of it... just using the same stuff over and over again... total cop out.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
how many ways can you spin a 2 second shot of a fighter shooting down a tube?
Wing Commander managed to redo the Tiger's Claw's fighter launch about thirty times... :)

Ohh man I had forgotten how bad the space combat had gotten for DS9. UGGG! I was to the point by the end of DS9 where I actually got EXCITED when I saw a new sequence of space combat... it was like... HOLY CRAP THAT WAS NEW. Geeze... DS9 got really really REALLY lame by the end of it... just using the same stuff over and over again... total cop out.
The big space battles are my biggest retrospective complaint about Deep Space Nine. Not necessarily how they're done, but how they're all horrible fans focus on now. "Deep Space Nine was the best Star Trek!" is good to hear... but that's always followed by "BECAUSE ALL KINDS OF SPACESHIPS HAD BATTLES!!!!"

I think I feel the opposite about Battlestar Galactica -- the good part of the show is the look and feel... the horrible generic-drama characters aren't special.
 

TopGun

Vampire Ace
DS9 is my Fav Trek series (Well after Season 4 anyway)

While the Space Battles in Season 7 did recycle shots, they were mostly done well. But I feel that the Season 6 Space Battles were the best
 

junior

Spaceman
Bandit LOAF said:
I think I feel the opposite about Battlestar Galactica -- the good part of the show is the look and feel... the horrible generic-drama characters aren't special.

Similar feelings.

The only three characters (or two, depending on how you want to look at it) that I can find real interest in are the two Boomers, and Helo. In the case of Galactica Boomer, its the question of whether she'll "break" the Cylon personality (you know its coming) before she gets caught. With the Caprica Boomer, its the question of whether she's going to be able to go through with whatever Six's scheme involving Helo is (which seems to depend on leading him around and testing him for some unknown reason).

And for Helo (whom I've unofficially nicknamed "Dead Man Walking" - he's stuck on Caprica, Galactica is who knows how far away by now and who knows where, and if Helo somehow survives the mess, there's going to need to be a pretty good explanation of how he pulls it off), well, I just can't help but like the guy. Write his name in Japanese kana and mistranslate it back into English, and you get Hero - which more or less is what you call someone who gives up their seat on a flight and faces certain death instead, or that turns around to risk death in order to save someone that they consider to be a friend.

And I'm also annoyed about the lack of space battles. I haven't watched the mini-series, but I've seen every series episode except the prison episode. And so far, the only battle to date is Starbuck's little misadventure with a Cylon patrol. If its BSG, it needs more fighters blowing other fighters up. Maybe not in every episode, but at least in half of them.

After all, that is the supposed draw to a series about a battle carrier in space.
 

TopGun

Vampire Ace
Anyone seen the new BSG Figures?

I got a Viper today (£10), looks great, you get a Display Stand with it, or you can attach the landing gear onto the bottom

Here's a pic from the Manufacturers Website (www.joyridestudios.com/bsg.asp)



P.S. The Conopy is clear
 
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