What were the worst injustices in the Wing Commander Movie?

There's nothing as refreshing as watching a Snakier (spelling?) get eaten up by Scylla. Hell I liked the movie. Rewatching it this evening made we want to find out more about the Pilgrims and their whole story. Where might one do that? Anyway, my gripe is I didn't get a nice clear long view of the Concordia, hehe. I discussed this with LOAF earlier and I'm dieing to see that thing it its full unbridled glory, beautifully rendered (and yes that means in something OTHER than the standard WC2 look). That whole green scheme etc looks wrong whenever you see the other half of the thing sticking out of the water on WC3. But all the same, now that I've figured out the Concordia is a Confed dreadnaught, all the more reason I want to see it... Need myself a nice 1024x768 render of it for my wallpaper, heh.

Oh, on a totally sideline note, if anyone else uses 3D Explorer, could you grab the Dragon model out of the CIC 3D section and tell me if you only have some sort of gatling gun generated. For some reason, that's all that was rendered for me.
 
I didn't like the movie, I like the game. I am all for Chris Roberts doing what he wants to do, but that doesn't destroy my own feelings for the game.

I personally feel that the thing that bothered me most was the storyline. Too generic for my liking. There were parts of the movie I loved, I believe that Paladin was casted very well. I would of prefered the Rapier to not look like a WW2 plane but the Rapier from any of the games.

The ending was a little abrupt too.
 
I like the WWII feel to it. I really got a sense that it was a story about a group of pilots trying to survive in a war. Aren't the games made to feel like WWII?

I also like the lack of the traitor sub plot... it is very overused in the series, in my opinion.
 
lets see, 2,3, and oh yes, cant forget 4, all had traitors. But, they were all different in their own ways. So, each one was good. I didnt have a problem with it at all.
 
And of course WC1 featured Ralgha turning traitor in the SM series. I figure he still counts as part of a traitor plot because *he* thought he was betraying the Empire.

Best, Raptor
 
Two different Concordias, Antix -- TCS Concordia is to Wing Commander what the Enterprise is to Star Trek... they build new ships with her name when one is destroyed.

The first was the Concordia class fleet carrier TCS Concordia, which appeared (and was destroyed) in the novel Action Stations.

The second (known of) is the movie's Concordia -- a Concordia class SuperCruiser that served up through '56 or so.

The last is the CVS-65, from WC2... which entered service in '61.
 
Having just seen the WC Movie (well, not really, but I was offline the day after and then I got banned), I have a few questions.

1. Why is the Rapier I pressurized, but all subsequent models use suits and helmets?

2. Why do capships have to lower their shields to fire torps? I DEFINETELY don't remember that in WC...

3. Do all Rapiers have Merlins and NavComs?

4. What ship is that in the introduction? The voiceover says something about how it's "three, maybe four kilometers' and yet the screen shows a Sivar or Snakier...and I KNOW those aren't three-four klicks. So what is it?

5. What ships where those at the Pegasus base and later escorting the Connie? They looked like Supercruisers...

6. How old is the Confed sword-and-star symbol? It's apparently been in use since 2654...

7. Why do the pilot patches read "TCS Tiger Claw", yet the Handbook refers to it as the "CS Tiger Claw"?

8. What is the eyeglass thing the pilots wear over their eye? Is it some sort of HUD?

9. How did the guy who played Obutu get to be in SW1? Oh wait, never mind... :)

'tat's all.
 
Not having anything but Rapiers, Broadswords, and Dralthis being in it. I would have liked to have seen the other fighter classes. And speaking of Rapiers, WHAT THE **** IS THAT ALL ABOUT?! A freakin' F4 Phantom with the wings cropped off and redone; looked ugly, but that's only my thought...
 
Originally posted by Bob McDob
1. Why is the Rapier I pressurized, but all subsequent models use suits and helmets?
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There could be a thousand different reasons for this, but I'll leave the answer to LOAF.

2. Why do capships have to lower their shields to fire torps? I DEFINETELY don't remember that in WC...
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I think that was more about pushing a dramatic moment in the story than actually a technical attribute.

3. Do all Rapiers have Merlins and NavComs?
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Merlin was actually Blair's PPD, a personal computer that was imbedded into him. It had a sarcastic personality and was a quite interesting character in the novelization. Id like to assume that NavCom was retired by WC1 since it's lack of mention, but assuming anything in this case is silly and pointless.

4. What ship is that in the introduction? The voiceover says something about how it's "three, maybe four kilometers' and yet the screen shows a Sivar or Snakier...and I KNOW those aren't three-four klicks. So what is it?
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A fair guess could be that it was the Kilrathi ship the Iason ran up against.

5. What ships where those at the Pegasus base and later escorting the Connie? They looked like Supercruisers...
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Yeah, they did look a heck of a lot like the Concordia. They could of all have been Fleet Carriers since they look a heck of a lot like the Terran Carrier from Armada. But that's "Sterile Conjecture"...

6. How old is the Confed sword-and-star symbol? It's apparently been in use since 2654...
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It's as old as Confed methinks.

7. Why do the pilot patches read "TCS Tiger Claw", yet the Handbook refers to it as the "CS Tiger Claw"?
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Well, it is the same ship... ;)

8. What is the eyeglass thing the pilots wear over their eye? Is it some sort of HUD?
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Yup.

9. How did the guy who played Obutu get to be in SW1?
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Hugh Quarshie spoke once or twice about the great displeasure of the low ceilings on the set of the Wing Commander movie. I'm sure that got his ass booted from the Tiger's Claw down to Amidala's personal assisstant. :)
 
Originally posted by Wulf
Not having anything but Rapiers, Broadswords, and Dralthis being in it. I would have liked to have seen the other fighter classes. And speaking of Rapiers, WHAT THE **** IS THAT ALL ABOUT?! A freakin' F4 Phantom with the wings cropped off and redone; looked ugly, but that's only my thought...
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Actually it was a British Lightning I beleive
 
I don't understand why po thinks the Rap looks like WW2...methinks it looks like Warthog :)

Originally posted by LeHah
I think that was more about pushing a dramatic moment in the story than actually a technical attribute.
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So it's not CANON then?


Merlin was actually Blair's PPD, a personal computer that was imbedded into him. It had a sarcastic personality and was a quite interesting character in the novelization. Id like to assume that NavCom was retired by WC1 since it's lack of mention, but assuming anything in this case is silly and pointless.
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No...

I actually remember Blair asking Merlin 'bout NavCom coordinates during one scene...when he first sits in the Rapier, we meet Merlin...but that was Bossman's fighter. So Merlin was linked directly to Blair's head? (And how the hell did they retrieve Bossman's fighter anywho?)
 
Originally posted by Bob McDob
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I actually remember Blair asking Merlin 'bout NavCom coordinates during one scene...when he first sits in the Rapier, we meet Merlin...but that was Bossman's fighter. So Merlin was linked directly to Blair's head? (And how the hell did they retrieve Bossman's fighter anywho?)
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You're talking about the movie. Our dear LeHah was speaking of the initial game in the WC series. There's been much talk of how the time line was skewed in the movie. Too true that the navcom and Merlin coexisted in the movie. LeHah prefers to believe that in the world of WC1, the two were never used simultaneously. Whether this be the case or not I don't really know because I came in on the series late, namely with WC3.

And can we lay to rest once and for all the commentary on what planes they had to strip apart to make the damned Rapiers? JEEZ! There's nothing left of that dead horse to beat.

As for Bossman's fighter, there's a million and a half possibilities to how they recovered it. He may have been injured from in-flight damage to his fighter, and died from some sort of mortal wound while his ship was repaired. He might have had some sort of cockpit and pressure suit breech sucking the life out of his lungs, leaving the ship mostly intact, and was picked up by a tug. Who knows? It's like some damned commercial says... "Oh the possibilities."
 
Having just seen the WC Movie (well, not really, but I was offline the day after and then I got banned), I have a few questions.

1. Why is the Rapier I pressurized, but all subsequent models use suits and helmets?
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All fighters are pressurized (remember the WCIV novel, where he hides in the Arrow cockpit?) -- you wear a suit and helmet because you may very quickly be in a vacuum.

2. Why do capships have to lower their shields to fire torps? I DEFINETELY don't remember that in WC...
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The capships in the movie had an older kind of shield... "Meson Shields" instead of phase shields.

3. Do all Rapiers have Merlins and NavComs?
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No, they have Tempest targetting and navigation AIs.

Merlin is Blair's personal computer -- he's a unique little computer guy. When Blair's in the Rapier, Merlin works through the Rapier's computer. Or something.

4. What ship is that in the introduction? The voiceover says something about how it's "three, maybe four kilometers' and yet the screen shows a Sivar or Snakier...and I KNOW those aren't three-four klicks. So what is it?
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We don't know what it is. Since the Snakeir and the Sivar look pretty similar in the movie (and various pointy Kilrathi ships look exactly the same-but-different-sizes on WCA), it's logical to assume that it's just some larger battleship.

5. What ships where those at the Pegasus base and later escorting the Connie? They looked like Supercruisers...
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The Pegasus scene was a mix of Concordia supercruisers and Bengals. The Concordia scenes were all supercruisers.

6. How old is the Confed sword-and-star symbol? It's apparently been in use since 2654...
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It's always been COnfed's symbol. It first showed up in WC1.

7. Why do the pilot patches read "TCS Tiger Claw", yet the Handbook refers to it as the "CS Tiger Claw"?
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CS and TCS are interchangable -- the first use of this was the CS Suffolk in Wing Commander 1. The movie contemplated using only 'CS' for the historical reference.

8. What is the eyeglass thing the pilots wear over their eye? Is it some sort of HUD?
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Yes.

9. How did the guy who played Obutu get to be in SW1? Oh wait, never mind...
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He's a classically trained actor.



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The subject of the NavCom came up later for some reason (Bob asked about a navication AI, not the NavCom): The NavCom is a special computer. Fighters don't have them. Big fleet capships don't have them. Remember the intro? A Bengal had to get NavCom coordinates from Pegasus. The NavCom contains jump coordinates... nothing else.

Bossman's fighter was found empty and recovered, according to the Confed handbook.
 
I'm sure he's still beat from doing that damned map. Give him a little bit longer.
 
What were the worst injustices in the WC Movie?
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God, where can I start? I guess one of the worst injustices for me was how Blair suddenly became a Pilgrim for the (apparently) lone reason that the movie could deal with racial prejudice. I mean, why not have Hobbes on the lookalike Tiger's Claw or Concordia to incorporate racial issues? Oh, that's right... he, like the other Kilrathi in the movie, would just look too damn stupid if on-screen for over 4 or 5 frames.
 
I thought the acting was rather good (especially the British actors) that's probably why myself and my dad liked this film so much.

I think probably he British accents make it like a good navy type film (too many WW2 films for me :)

That and probably because the cats were just. MEOWING BAD :)

Ok. Well they weren't too bad, but they just looked funny (and the same shot of one falling down was used 3 times)

Excellent battle sequences though. I wish I had the widescreen version as the Pan & Scan is awful
 
*L* I've found that from game to game, the Kilrathi's appearance is never consistent. As such, when I watched the movie, I wasn't thinking "Man, they look like crap compared to WCx", I was thinking "Wow, this version of the Kilrathi looks pretty cool."

The one thing that got me was that the picture when showing the Kilrathi in their ships seemed to be stretched a bit vertically. Other than that, the Kilrathi don't speak english, which is pretty cool.
 
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