WC4 question

Bandit LOAF said:
Leeching enemy fighters instead of killing them frequently breaks the game - since it doesn't know to spawn second waves when fighters are disabled instead of destroyed.
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Yeah. I know others have tried it before, and I recently tried playing WC4 while leeching BW and Confed ships, but some missions require you to kill the ships before you can even continue, let alone secure mission complete conditions.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
My take was always that the SRA was a post-war organization that was politically created to "guarantee this doesn't happen again" - to make sure Confed is ready for another war, instead of caught unprepared as was the case with the Kilrathi.

(And in that same vein, Tolwyn was appointed to head it politically... he wasn't technically in charge of the fleet, but the SRA has enough political backing to pretty much do whatever it wants with the fleet. I always figured he was a Rear Admiral, since that's all thats ever been specified...)
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That was the same sort of idea I had about it. I don't think Tolwyn had direct command over fleet assests (as in the WC4 novel, Seether is quite pissed that the project has now lost it's mobile platform with the damaging of the lexington) but has a great deal of pull with the people who do. (ie A lot of the commanding admirals are mentioned in FC and WC4 novel as being a part of either Beliriaus or "the project")

SRA just sounds like a political organization and even Paladin says again in the novel that Tolwyn has mastered some of the political skills...
 
Bandit LOAF said:
(And in that same vein, Tolwyn was appointed to head it politically... he wasn't technically in charge of the fleet, but the SRA has enough political backing to pretty much do whatever it wants with the fleet. I always figured he was a Rear Admiral, since that's all thats ever been specified...)
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Rear Admiral to Space Marshall? Quite a field commission :eek:
 
My take on Space Marshall is, again, that it's more of a political rank - you get made Space Marshall because you're in a certain position rather than as a natural progression through the ranks.
 
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Although, out of all the elite members of Confed they'd pick Tolwyn? I mean, sure he was head of the SRA and doing cool things... but it didn't seem like he had a firm grip on the clashes with the UBW (as far as Confed knew). I haven't read the novel but in the game all sorts of wacky things happen; Blair defects, carriers are lost, prototype weapons systems get stolen, bases and carriers are hijacked, etc. Sure, it helped paint the picture that the UBW had malicious intent, but with all the losses on Confed's part, it hardly seemed Tolwyn was keeping them "strategically ready."

I'm probably just looking at the big picture the wrong way, though.
 
With the speed that the game seems to move its possible that the politicos wouldnt have time to properly "investigate" and sack him, even if they knew about all the losses as they happened.
 
He was the man who kept the Kilrathi at bay for twenty years (G) I seriously doubt the senate had any knowledge of the specific border skirmishes (especially not ones that were so recent)... and Tolwyn was certainly (at that time in his life) a political climber...
 
Actually, recently I draw a parallel between the SRA and the Department of Homeland Security here in the US. I think they are responsible for the pretty much the same thing, providing a level of readiness in combating 'our' enemies, though the SRA is military and the DoHS is civilian.

C-ya
 
Since the SRA was an agency, it looks like a politically created organization as LOAF said. I'm not sure about Tolwyn's formal position on the chain of command, but he had more than enought real power to back up the Black Lance and other confed forces, to pull a lot of irregular and downright criminal activities, and even hide all this from the rest of confed.

It seems only logical that most of those things were not supposed to be linked directly to him, but Blair even uncovers evidence that Tolwyn authorized the R&D of the Flashpak.

Bandit LOAF said:
I always figured he was a Rear Admiral, since that's all thats ever been specified...)
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He says his promotion to Space Marshal is "long overdue", so he should be on the rank immediatly bellow it, whatever that is. Unless this position is not regular, and can be given different ranks.
 
Col.Dom said:
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Although, out of all the elite members of Confed they'd pick Tolwyn? I mean, sure he was head of the SRA and doing cool things... but it didn't seem like he had a firm grip on the clashes with the UBW (as far as Confed knew). I haven't read the novel but in the game all sorts of wacky things happen; Blair defects, carriers are lost, prototype weapons systems get stolen, bases and carriers are hijacked, etc. Sure, it helped paint the picture that the UBW had malicious intent, but with all the losses on Confed's part, it hardly seemed Tolwyn was keeping them "strategically ready."

I'm probably just looking at the big picture the wrong way, though.
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If anyone in the confed chain of command had a handle of what was happening in the border worlds area it would be tolwyn. He spent more than a year in the Landreich after the war and probably had a fairly good grasp of the situations out there (it's only a year or two between false colors and WC4)
 
Well, Tolwyn was orchestrating the chaos out there, so of course he had a handle on it... technically.

From from an outsider looking in, it just seemed like things were propelling out of control. Rather than preventing "UBW terrorism," it seemed he was just reporting about it after the damage had been done. Of course, as we know, that is as he'd want it to paint a picture of the UBW as blood thirsty space guerrillas/radicals/terrorists. Looking at it from the perspective of someone having to award the position of Space Marshall, I'd choose someone who gets the job done, rather than someone who tells me how crappy things are out there.

As LOAF said, though, Tolwyn did keep the Kilrathi at bay for two decades.
 
I just finished my first run through the game, I was wondering if there is any way that you can fly one of the Bearcats that you see near the end?
 
McGruff said:
I just finished my first run through the game, I was wondering if there is any way that you can fly one of the Bearcats that you see near the end?
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You most certainly may - but only while you're assigned to the Concordia.

(Though God only knows why you'd want to fly one)
 
Actually, I think that he meant the Intrepid. Anyway, the way to get the Bearcats is to choose to go to Speradon when Wilson gives you the choice of which assignment to take. In the Speradon series, you may choose two of the following missions: A: leech and capture Bearcats, B: disable and capture the Princeton (Concordia-class carrier--success nets you a supply of Mace missiles), or C: escort Dekker to capture a weapons manufacturing plant (gives you Starburst/Coneburst missiles).

As for the rank of Space Marshal, I think it is a semi-honorary title, sort of like five-star general in the USA. Basically, only Chiefs of Staff or other top-level people are eligable for it.
 
Whoa, my bad. I meant to say the Lexington but was thinking of the thread I had just left involving the cover of End Run (which someone misidentified as the Concordia)
 
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