Screenshots Release Thread

Tolwyn

Vice Admiral
update: here you go!
 

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Lynx

Spaceman
Very cool, indeed. But what did you to the model? With each face individually lit, the model looks godawful.
 

Sylvester

Vice Admiral
Lynx said:
You'll have to mindscan Eder to find out. :p

Here's another shinemapped ship, the Cutlass. Hmm, it's enough screenshots from shinemapped ships. Perhaps someone shold move his ass and make some screenies with the new engine trails... :D

I kike the design for the Cutlass, is it one of yours?
 

Lynx

Spaceman
Yeah, this one is mine, here's the tech description:

As one of the first new fighter designs in the war, the Cutlass was rushed into service in 2635 due to construction delay of the Corsair fighter. It performed well in combat, but after some time it's worrying tendency for errors in the electronic and the new automatic ejector system became obvious, and the production was stopped after 361 ships. More than one pilot got slammed into the ceiling of the flight deck when the automated ejector seat went off after damage to the electronics, resulting in the pilots joking that the fighter takes revenge on its pilots if they treat the ship badly and techs referring to them with rather crude names, and the new ejector system was swapped with an older, yet more reliable one. In the late 2640s, the remaining fighters were refitted with new reactors, new electronics gear and an additional layer on of armor in an effort to keep them battleworthy. Nowadays, they are still found in service along with the Hornet, the two beeing the oldest fighter designs in the Confederation, a rare sight, mostly stationed in planetary defense sqadrons or on space stations where they still serve as deterrent to pirates and occasional Kilrathi raiders.
 

Pulmonox

Commodore
Ahh... so you guys ARE incorporating your Cutlass design into the game. I must say, it's a good design, and it fits well into early WC ship designs. Now let's see how it works in action.
 

Sylvester

Vice Admiral
I created a fighter design for the WC2 era, i'll post the skecth as soon as I get my scanner working.

F-60 Katana
Class: Light Fighter
Length: 13 meters
Mass: 15.5 tons
Velocity: 260\500\1380
Shields: Front 9.5cm. Rear 9.5cm
Armor: 6/6/5/5
Weapons: 2 Mass Driver Cannon. 2 IFF Missiles, 2 IR missiles.
Chaff/Flare: 12/12
Jump Capable:Yes

History: Designed in mid 2660 as a replacement for the Epee, the Katana makes up for many of its predesesors shortfalls. It has heavier armor, shields and a more balanced weapons array and is slightly faster not to mention it was eqipped with an experimental jump drive. Production was halted at 400 units due to the cost of the fighter. The ability to make the Katana jump capable required a very complicated and very expensive jump drive to fit into a fighter of that size. The Katana served as a patrol and advance scout fighter for forward deployed carriers and escorting bomber craft such as Broadswords in out-system strikes during the war after its introduction into service in 2663. The remaining units are still serving as ISS security craft and with other factions such as the Union of Border Worlds and the FRL.
 

psych

Destroyer of assclowns
As you can see assclown,

This thread is for the WC Saga people to post their screenshots, not for you to take advantage of the "sticky" thread being on top to advertise your stuff. It's like taking a crap on the floor instead of its correct place - the toilet. Don't waste our time.
 

Viper61

Spaceman
Wow, problems abound.

Light fighter thats more massive than the premiere medium fighter of the day and as fast/faster than anything out there.
Light fighter as heavily armored and shielded as the G variant Rapier II.
Replacement for a fighter that for all we know could be a newer fighter design (it does have ITTS).
Jump drives can be installed in the Arrow and the Rapier I, why not a ship of similar size with the same relative ease?
In WC2, fighters could carry a maximum of 2 chaff pods.
Taking someone elses idea and putting it in another time period doesn't a new idea make.

The Raptor is also a pre-war design IIRC, which the Cutlass seems patterned around . . . wouldn't an 'improved' variant of the Raptor fighter that had the same problems described in the Cutlass' description be more likely? Just a suggestion/idea.

C-ya
 

Eder

Mr. Standoff
Tolwyn said:
@Sylvester: it is spelled Khorsan and it was a sister ship of CVE Tarawa, which was reported missing after a raid deep into the Kilrathi territory.
Right on all acounts, except that it might not have been a Tarawa-type CVE - that's why we've decided to rename that class in Standoff. The explanation is pretty simple...

Khorsan and Enigma are both mentioned simply as being "Escort Carriers". However, if you count them as Tarawa-type escort carriers, you end up with a grand total of 10 carriers, while End Run states that only 9 were built... So either more carriers were built, or at least one of those carriers wasn't of the same class as the Tarawa.

Conclusion: the best solution we've found is to not mention the Enigma and Khorsan altogether, since we avoid contradicting End Run's carrier count (and if someday Origin says the count was wrong, and the Khorsan and Enigma were of this same class after all, we still won't be contradicting anything - we'll just say both carriers were there, but the player just didn't see them :p). We chose the Enigma and Khorsan because those are the only names which stand out from the others (Iwo Jima, Crete, Normandy, Wake, Tarawa, Sevastopol, Saipan, and one more I can't remember...)
 

psych

Destroyer of assclowns
Yo Eder,

The Wake references to the Battle of Wake Island, one rather infamous Marine battle in which Marines fought overwhelming opposition and lost. It was later turned into a "Remember Pearl Harbor" deal, in which the defeat helped rallied public support. I ran this possibility by LOAF a while back with the supporting logic, and he said that Wake Island-class is a good probable name. You can read about the details of the Battle of Wake Island here

And for what's its worth, in the end of End Run, Bainbridge offered Bear a new command because there was a new light carrier coming online at the end of that month. So where they Tarawa sisterships or a new improvement of the CVE? who knows . . .

And that last CVE was Gallipolli :)
 

Eder

Mr. Standoff
psych said:
The Wake references to the Battle of Wake Island, one rather infamous Marine battle in which Marines fought overwhelming opposition and lost. It was later turned into a "Remember Pearl Harbor" deal, in which the defeat helped rallied public support. I ran this possibility by LOAF a while back with the supporting logic, and he said that Wake Island-class is a good probable name. You can read about the details of the Battle of Wake Island here
Yes indeed, I like to read about WW2 events as a hobby (without getting into the whole military side of things as you probably do, but still...). Anyway, Wake is a perfectly fitting name with all the others, which are, at least as far as I know, all references to historical marine battles.

psych said:
And for what's its worth, in the end of End Run, Bainbridge offered Bear a new command because there was a new light carrier coming online at the end of that month. So where they Tarawa sisterships or a new improvement of the CVE? who knows . . .
Well, I don't remember the exact quote, but even if we take for granted the interchangeability (is that even a word?) of the "light carrier" and "escort carrier" designations in WC, Bainbridge could mean all sorts of different classes (the Eagle-type CVEs were probably starting to come online... I mean, it's like 2668 by then - we first see the Eagle in early-to-mid 2669, and we don't even know wheter it is the first carrier in its class).

I say everyone should keep their pieholes shut about that tiny, insignificant passage, cause the Firekka from Standoff isn't in the original 9-carrier list, and we really could use a good excuse for its existance <G>
 

psych

Destroyer of assclowns
I noticed that the novels frequently referred to escort carriers as light carriers, and light carrier as escort carriers. I'm guessing that in spite of their minor differences in tonnage and size, as far as its wartime roles are concerned, they are pretty much the same (cheap, expendable pieces of junk :). CVE meant Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable if I remembered correctly.

And for the Firekka, I've been compiling a Confed technical reference website lately and I listed the Firekka (gathered from researching the screenshots on your website) right now as CVE-10. As the Tarawa and her eight sister ships were the first nine, the Firekka, Khorsan, and Enigma were the next CVEs. Of the same class, but improved with minor technical issues that were learned from building the first name. Right now I got them listed as "Wake Island-class", can't have the Battle of Wake Island without the Island, or the Iwo Jima without the Jima (Paladin referred to it as "Iwo") :)

We know that there were at least 15 CVEs built by Confed at the signing of the False Peace. The seven CVEs destroyed (as listed in Baron Jukaga's report in Fleet Action), and the 8 CVEs that were ready to prowl and growl behind enemy lines as the Concordia attacked Munro. So that means there were more CVEs, and I tried to find a way to justify having the Firekka (which is named after a Confed Marine operation afterall). Now the question remains, was that justification logical?
 
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Unregistered

Guest
Lynx said:
Very cool, indeed. But what did you to the model? With each face individually lit, the model looks godawful.

I told you, that specular lightning is not perfect. If you want to know more just read my last news update.

I think that we stick to the Khorsan-class name, simply because we have already started recording voice overs. Nobody will be really happy to have to rerecord his lines again.
 

Quarto

Unknown Enemy
I would say that CVEs and CVLs, despite their interchangeability, are not really the same. For one thing, CVEs as a concept are considered new, while CVLs like the Victory had been around for decades. I think that the main difference is in construction - while CVLs are designed and built from the ground up as carriers, CVEs are makeshift conversions of existing transport hulls. This would make them cheaper and more expendable than even obsolete CVLs like the Victory. Consequently, while they're similar in capabilities, they'd differ in function - CVEs would be used for riskier offensive operations, while CVLs probably mainly for defence. The upshot of this is that both CVEs and CVLs could be in production simultaneously.

...If the above is correct, BTW, it could mean that the light carrier Bear was offered was an Eagle-type, maybe even the Eagle herself. That would be rather ironic - missing out on the second Kilrah raid just because he wanted to stick with "first to Kilrah" :).

Returning to the CVEs themselves, I think that Confed would have wanted to build more of these whenever additional transport hulls could be spared - after all, a ship's expendability also depends on its replaceability. So, justifying the Firekka, Khorsan and Enigma as Wake-class ships is easy enough, especially considering Jukaga's CVE figures from FA.
 

Sylvester

Vice Admiral
The concept of the CVE is also the same in the US Navy, the hundred or so CVEs during World War Two like the USS Bogue were built from the hulls of liberty merchantmen vessels.
 

psych

Destroyer of assclowns
Unregistered said:
I told you, that specular lightning is not perfect. If you want to know more just read my last news update.

I think that we stick to the Khorsan-class name, simply because we have already started recording voice overs. Nobody will be really happy to have to rerecord his lines again.

It's pretty top priority to change the class name while you have a chance, so it'll help tie in the two mods together. If you are not willing to chance the name just for the sake of a few voice-overs, it'll just show everyone else that the WC Saga team just doesn't give a shit about WC :(
 

Tolwyn

Vice Admiral
psych said:
It's pretty top priority to change the class name while you have a chance, so it'll help tie in the two mods together. If you are not willing to chance the name just for the sake of a few voice-overs, it'll just show everyone else that the WC Saga team just doesn't give a shit about WC :(


I am not sure what you mean. As far as I recall UE mod has a different name for the Kilrathi corvette. AND changing the ship name will screw our missions.
 

Lynx

Spaceman
Unregistered said:
I told you, that specular lightning is not perfect. If you want to know more just read my last news update.

May be, but I have an older version of that model, and surprise, the specular lighting is smooth on it.
 
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