Outcome of Terran/Kilrathi War

Look at the aspects of everything. Had the Kats come throught the jump point yes they probably would have been ambushed. The thing is though is that Confed had quite a number of their remaining ships positioned at that jump point. Had the Kilrathi been able to get through the Confed fleet, Earth would have been virtually undefended. Even if the Kilrathi lost a large number of their ships, they had more in other systems than Confed did. They could have easily called in other ships form the surronding systems. And because the Confed fleet was so deep into Kilrathi space, Kilrathi reinforcements would have virtually eliminated the remaining Confed ships before Confed reinforcements could arrive.

How could we know that ship production would have increased. If Earth is gone there goes a good sized portion of Confeds production facilities. It would take time and massive amounts of materials to get equivilent producton facilities up and running in other systems. This would give the Kilrathi even more time to take out other Confed facilities and hamper the Confed war effort still farther.
 
Do we know for certain that the Kilrathi had more ships than we did? What's to say that Earth was virtually undefended? No one ever said that the invasion fleet we sent out was basically all we had left. I realize that there might not be a surge in production due to an emotional stimulus. I'm just looking at this thing from different angles. I'm not gonna be the one who sits here and says that "it's this way for certain!" when I haven't accounted for a number of different possibilities. I honestly doubt that Confed would have lost for sure if the T-Bomb run failed. True alot of people made comments about the war being over in a few weeks but you have to remember that morale was getting very low at this point and everywhere you turned everyone had doomsday on the brain.
 
One, that would have been a good deal of the Confederation's production, but you do have hundreds, if not thousands, of worlds.

Two, I believe the Kilrathi had more ships than we did, because most of the ones we were using old, OLD ships-had the Kilrathi decided to do the same, there would have easily been more of their ships than ours. (And besides, didn't ya ever fly during the war, there were always more Kilrathi than Terrans. :) )

Three, based on the results of the first Battle of Terra, Towlyn said that if Earth was destroyed, man would pretty much be beat too. If I remember correctly, he said something about "was the homeworld lost, mankind would be too scattered, broken." (Of course, us damn humans are extremely difficult when it comes to trying to kill us all. :) )
But I believe that the loss of the homeworld would have been too much of a blow for Confed to deal with, since they were already doing so poorly.
 
I can't check my WC3 novel at the moment but I seen to remember (though I am really not sure):

a) that it is mentioned that it's pretty much the rest of Confed that's assembled at the jump point.

b) The Kilrathi surely had more ships than Confed, because a great deal of Confed's has been destroyed at the BoT as well as production facilities whereas the Kilrathi had their Hakagas built and lots of escort ships.

c) The Kilrathi knew about the Confed fleet being there. So, no chance to really ambush the Kilrathi (that's the point I am most unsure about)

BTW: We know what happens if the T-Bomb failed: Confed loses, loses bad. ;)
 
I remeber at one point during WC3 that Tolwyn actually says something like "If things continue at their current rate the Kilrathi would be walking on the Earth in six months or less." So if the T-bomb failed Confed was in essence screwed. If and when Earth falls to the Kilrathi, the war may drag on for another few years until Confed has exhausted its war making materials and supplies.
 
In that situation, I think the best thing would be for the remnants of Confed to join with the Landreich. Although, human-kind has a bad habit of not doing the best idea at the time.

I say this would be best, due to the fact that the Landreich's pilots are real hot dogs, aces easy-you have to be. Give them better equipment, and they'd do terrific. While you could also have them give some place for Confed to kinda "fall back" to as they reorganize.
 
Very tiny. :D They had a, what, a couple of dozen systems? Compared to several hundred each for both Confed and the Kilrathi, and that's not counting the thousand dead systems in Hari space.

Best, Raptor
 
Actually it's not even that big. And while that is true, a functional system-even if you've been able to only defeat the Kilrathi weaklings-is still funcational and effective. Just because they're much smaller than the empire, doesn't mean that they're any less effective in their own mini-war. Besides, assuming that Confed is disorganized, the Kilrathi are going to attack them still-not jump straight for the Landreich. (Assuming my idea of using them as support was true.)
 
Hey, little unrallied tribes in Mongolia got really angry at the world and look what happened? (clears throat) THE LARGEST EMPIRE KNOWN TO MANKIND
 
I guess that is true Wulf, which is something I didn't really think of. But I was seeing the Landreich as more of a spot for political figures to hold back in, not to launch a major military campaign with. (Since it's the border of the war.) While it would make sense to keep them in Confed (it's huge for them to take up residence/command somewhere else), my only problem comes about in the fact that if the Kilrathi got to Earth, Sol's a hub to go just about anywhere in the Confederation. Might not be as able to hold up as one would think.
 
Originally posted by Skyfire
One, that would have been a good deal of the Confederation's production, but you do have hundreds, if not thousands, of worlds.

Two, I believe the Kilrathi had more ships than we did, because most of the ones we were using old, OLD ships-had the Kilrathi decided to do the same, there would have easily been more of their ships than ours. (And besides, didn't ya ever fly during the war, there were always more Kilrathi than Terrans. :) )

Three, based on the results of the first Battle of Terra, Towlyn said that if Earth was destroyed, man would pretty much be beat too. If I remember correctly, he said something about "was the homeworld lost, mankind would be too scattered, broken." (Of course, us damn humans are extremely difficult when it comes to trying to kill us all. :) )
But I believe that the loss of the homeworld would have been too much of a blow for Confed to deal with, since they were already doing so poorly.
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The only reason confed was doing so badly was because they trusted the Kats in the so called "Peace Process". Instead they got half there fleet decommissioned and Admiral banbridge dead.
 
Originally posted by Valor NR


The only reason confed was doing so badly was because they trusted the Kats in the so called "Peace Process". Instead they got half there fleet decommissioned and Admiral banbridge dead.
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Just goes to show. Bureaucrats are usually a bigger threat than your enemy in a war :)
 
You got that right Panther. Those damn bureaucrats don't have a clue what is happening out on the fringes of the universe and so they can't make very educated decisions. Those people that are up to there necks in the war are should be the people making all the decisions during wartime. Leave peace time decisions up to the bureaucrats. Otherwise they screw over everybody that is vainly trying to win the war for them.
 
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You got that right Panther. Those damn bureaucrats don't have a clue what is happening out on the fringes of the universe and so they can't make very educated decisions. Those people that are up to there necks in the war are should be the people making all the decisions during wartime. Leave peace time decisions up to the bureaucrats. Otherwise they screw over everybody that is vainly trying to win the war for them.
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no because if that was the case you'd never see an end to war. you have to hope for the best and plan for the worst, confed made the mistake of hopeing for the best and planning for it. which is why they where screwed over.

and if not for the bureaucrats confed would be a dictatorship.
 
Originally posted by Valor NR


The only reason confed was doing so badly was because they trusted the Kats in the so called "Peace Process". Instead they got half there fleet decommissioned and Admiral banbridge dead.
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Eh, that's not entirely true. After all, End Run was a last ditch effort to strike the Kilrathi to buy more time for the Confederation. (Granting it was a large success, but it was only part of the Emperor's fleet/resources that were destroyed.)
 
I think I probably got a little carried away with my last post. What I was trying to get at is that the bureaucrat is not out on the front lines of the fighting. They don't have a clear picture of what is actually going down out there. What needs to happen is for certain individuals within Confed to keep the bureaucrats up to date with what is going on, some kind of informants or something. Maybe that does happen already I don't know. Still bureacrats make bad decisions because they don't have the information they need. A wrong decision puts a lot more pressure on the people who are actually fighting the war.
 
I think politicians are also wary of the financial cost of wars as well as human cost. If you've read the SO fiction, you'll notice somewhere that sectors remote from the front lines aren't happy with having to help pay repairing war-ravaged systems, only to have them get blown up again.
 
I'm sure that there are intelligence gathering networks, but they can't always function extremely well. (Look at WC4, when Tolwyn was holding information from the Senate, there was nearly a war!) But I would agree with Wedge. While the bureaucrats may be thinking of human lives, they also have the checkbooks to balance. The problem is, when they worry too much about the checkbooks, and don't know enough about how hard the wars are. (Such as the pilots not sleeping for more than an hour or two in a handful of days, and how taking on a Bloodfang in a Ferret would NOT be an easy task.)

The difficulty comes about in putting both to equal use, "saving money" and "saving people." After all, it's a war, so some people can be....umm...well, sacrificed really. As there is a LOT of other things to pay for. But you can't certainly have all of your people dying because your too cheap! :)
 
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