A discussion on the true nature of the Nephilim
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Quarto
Unknown Enemy
I think 'maybe not' is right... otherwise, Confed is about to get flooded, and only some guy named Noah will survive with his family and his space-ark full of animals...
Now, it could be that my memory is playing tricks on me, but isn't Tartarus from a different mythology?
Supdon... this has been stated a thousand times before. 'Biological' - or rather, 'organic' - does not mean 'alive'. Plastic, for example, is organic.
How do we know the bugs have superior numbers? If there really was a giant fleet why didn't they send that in first? After all if they've got superior numbers then big deal if they lose a large fleet. The very fact that their fighters don't have ejection pods is ample proof that they don't have much respect for life.
Quarto: "Now, it could be that my memory is playing tricks on me, but isn't Tartarus from a different mythology?"
Heh heh. According to the Internet Movie Database, at the beginning of the movie Gladiator, Maximus' line "unleash hell" is in error. Why? Because hell is not a concept of his religion. Anyways Tartarus/Hell generally refer to the same thing - an afterlife that isn't pleasant.
Quarto: "Now, it could be that my memory is playing tricks on me, but isn't Tartarus from a different mythology?"
Heh heh. According to the Internet Movie Database, at the beginning of the movie Gladiator, Maximus' line "unleash hell" is in error. Why? Because hell is not a concept of his religion. Anyways Tartarus/Hell generally refer to the same thing - an afterlife that isn't pleasant.
Supdon3
Kal-El
If that wasnt their main fleet (and its a pretty good assumption that it wasnt) then we know they have superior numbers because in every single engagement there were more bugs than Confed fighters.
As for not sending in your main fleet first, its called scouting your target. You dont want to lose your main fleet so you send in a smaller one to see what your up against. Its no great loss if the scouts are wasted. It IS a great loss if your main fleet gets wasted. Its your main fleet, if its gone, all you have left are your scout elements and if your main fleet couldnt survive how are they supposed to?
As for not sending in your main fleet first, its called scouting your target. You dont want to lose your main fleet so you send in a smaller one to see what your up against. Its no great loss if the scouts are wasted. It IS a great loss if your main fleet gets wasted. Its your main fleet, if its gone, all you have left are your scout elements and if your main fleet couldnt survive how are they supposed to?
The bugs could have been committing all their reserves to maintain numerical superiority. At this point they could be running low.
I'm aware of what scouting is. However if the bugs really have the vast numbers everyone seems to think they have then why didn't they send in more ships after they had cleared the Kilrah System? When Casey and the others attacked the Wormhole the bugs did not seem to have fortified the system in any other way, shape or form. This doesn't support the assumption that they have huge fleets in reserve. If they did then why didn't they send those in when things started going wrong. After all the WCP campaign struck me more as an attempt to repel an invasion rather than intercepting a handful of scouts. Finally I hardly think a fleet that includes a Ship Killer is a mere reconnaisance group.
I'm aware of what scouting is. However if the bugs really have the vast numbers everyone seems to think they have then why didn't they send in more ships after they had cleared the Kilrah System? When Casey and the others attacked the Wormhole the bugs did not seem to have fortified the system in any other way, shape or form. This doesn't support the assumption that they have huge fleets in reserve. If they did then why didn't they send those in when things started going wrong. After all the WCP campaign struck me more as an attempt to repel an invasion rather than intercepting a handful of scouts. Finally I hardly think a fleet that includes a Ship Killer is a mere reconnaisance group.
Quarto
Unknown Enemy
Penguin: We know the bugs have huge numbers, because one of the reasons we were so desperate to destroy the Kilrah Gateway was the fact that a huge fleet was amassing on the other side 
. And then, of course, there's the fact that the bugs recovered from their defeat in Kilrah in a matter of weeks, and launched a new attack in Proxima.
. And then, of course, there's the fact that the bugs recovered from their defeat in Kilrah in a matter of weeks, and launched a new attack in Proxima.
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
I think the bugs are just another evil conquering race, that star god myth is just to make them a bit scarier. Perhaps they (or their sort of "brain-bug") have conquered everything in their galaxy and now they expand towards our galaxy, perhaps because their galaxy is running low on resources. I wonder if Confed will again win a decisive battle (meaning destroying their main-hive/colony, just like Kilrah) or another form of total annihilation, or if they are just able to push them back, but not to enter bug space.
BTW: The fleet coming through the wormhole in Kilrah, just when you destroy it (at least a Tiamat), was that their main fleet? Or just a reserve fleet? If it was their main fleet I think they may be short on warships after the gate collapsed. but I always thought the main battle/invasion fleet was in SOPS.
BTW: The fleet coming through the wormhole in Kilrah, just when you destroy it (at least a Tiamat), was that their main fleet? Or just a reserve fleet? If it was their main fleet I think they may be short on warships after the gate collapsed. but I always thought the main battle/invasion fleet was in SOPS.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Why wouldn't they decay when they're destroyed? *Everything* decays when it's destroyed -- be it biological or... not biological.
As for 'good' races -- we see plenty of them in Wing Commander (go find that thread with the list of races)... but, of course, the focus is upon whoever we're fighting.
The bug fleet is referred to several times as an RIF group (it had *two* shipkillers, actually...) -- why didn't they move an entire fleet to Kilrah? They had no reason to... based on the attack on Kilrah, there was no evidence that they'd need a huge fleet; they didn't know Confed was capable of fighting back...
As for the myth -- I think we can take it as pretty much fact that the Nephilim appeared to the developing Kilrathi thousands of years ago... whether or not they're the same Nephilim that inspired *our* myths is up to interpretation, although IMO the game does sort of imply this.
As for 'good' races -- we see plenty of them in Wing Commander (go find that thread with the list of races)... but, of course, the focus is upon whoever we're fighting.
The bug fleet is referred to several times as an RIF group (it had *two* shipkillers, actually...) -- why didn't they move an entire fleet to Kilrah? They had no reason to... based on the attack on Kilrah, there was no evidence that they'd need a huge fleet; they didn't know Confed was capable of fighting back...
As for the myth -- I think we can take it as pretty much fact that the Nephilim appeared to the developing Kilrathi thousands of years ago... whether or not they're the same Nephilim that inspired *our* myths is up to interpretation, although IMO the game does sort of imply this.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
It actually will, just not as quickly -- look what happened to Mir. But I digress -- it's clear that the *metal* Confed ships and the organic alien ships are made of different materials (and thus will decay at different rates)... but not that either of them is biological )
(to wit, how quickly would a corpse dissolve in space, anyway? The Nephilim ships do so much quicker...)
)(to wit, how quickly would a corpse dissolve in space, anyway? The Nephilim ships do so much quicker...)
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
We don't really know where the virus originates from... but since the ships are organically engineered, it's possible that that's also one of the design points. Or, more probably, the virus is the result of the hundreds of rotting squid carcasses onboard the destroyed capships...
Not much deterioration can occur in a vacume. Take the Titanic for example, soaking in deep water for over 70 years, but much of the metal is intact due to the lack of oxygen at that depth. Had that ship been in shallower water where there is more oxygen in the water, it would have been in far worse condition. But oxygen isnt the only element that causes decay, other elements can also cause the decay process to move faster than normal.
In space, radiation can increase the decay process. The situation with Mir is an example, just like SkyLab. In fact, any device up there now is subject to the elements of space, be it micro-sized asteroids beating against the hull, radiation penetrating the metal that makes up the hull, heating it like metal can heat up in a microwave oven. Constant expansion/compression of that metal as it circles the Earth, especially geo-syncronus orbit birds, they are exposed to the sun, then darkness as they follow the Earth rotation. A majority of the birds are below the Van Allen radiation belt, which starts at about 10 thousdand miles above the Earth and strech to over 100 thousand miles up.
Its the Earths natural electromagnetic radiation belt. A very powerfull shield protecting us from the sun's deadly gamma and x rays. This radiation can deteriorate a ships hull if it isnt built using materials that can withstand that radiaton, and the hull must be able to absorb or deflect that radiation, otherwise, the occupants inside the craft will cook like an egg placed into a microwave oven, or suffer severe radiation poisoning. What is interesting, is that if the space suits used for the moon trips are able to withstand that much radiation, why cant they be used to clean up some of the nuclear reactors that failed, like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island?. The space suits are supposed to be able to withstand all that radiation in space, which is hundreds of times more powerufll than any nuclear radiation leakage we can come up with. Makes ya go, "Hmmmm"...(Arsenio Hall?)
RFB
In space, radiation can increase the decay process. The situation with Mir is an example, just like SkyLab. In fact, any device up there now is subject to the elements of space, be it micro-sized asteroids beating against the hull, radiation penetrating the metal that makes up the hull, heating it like metal can heat up in a microwave oven. Constant expansion/compression of that metal as it circles the Earth, especially geo-syncronus orbit birds, they are exposed to the sun, then darkness as they follow the Earth rotation. A majority of the birds are below the Van Allen radiation belt, which starts at about 10 thousdand miles above the Earth and strech to over 100 thousand miles up.
Its the Earths natural electromagnetic radiation belt. A very powerfull shield protecting us from the sun's deadly gamma and x rays. This radiation can deteriorate a ships hull if it isnt built using materials that can withstand that radiaton, and the hull must be able to absorb or deflect that radiation, otherwise, the occupants inside the craft will cook like an egg placed into a microwave oven, or suffer severe radiation poisoning. What is interesting, is that if the space suits used for the moon trips are able to withstand that much radiation, why cant they be used to clean up some of the nuclear reactors that failed, like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island?. The space suits are supposed to be able to withstand all that radiation in space, which is hundreds of times more powerufll than any nuclear radiation leakage we can come up with. Makes ya go, "Hmmmm"...(Arsenio Hall?)
RFB
