What means TCS?

You just have no appreciation for a classic design. Isn't there a ship in P2 that almost looks identical to it?

The BW, it seems is made up of colonies and generally worlds on the fringe on Confed space bordering the Kilrathi Assembly. If I remember correctly, Landreich is one such world, which was apparently one of a few independent colonies, but soon was joined by something like a dozen systems. It could be this union became UBW around 2673.

If that is the case, the Border World fleet is large, not by Confed, or Kilrathi standards, but it does have some interesting craft and technologies. They can handle pirates and light Kilrathi raids.
 
[Blair] Classic. Right, Death's Head. [/Blair]

All I want to know is why Landreich isn't on the map. I mean, even if they became the UBW, the Landreich System should be on the map...

[If I got any of the names wrong, don't kill me. I haven't read the novels, that's all.]
 
DH: You mean the Icarus? Well, it sure looks like an Epee.
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Are you being sarcastic, Nighthawk? If not, then...
[Cough]Bullshit![/Cough]

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Although allies, the Border Worlds and the Landreich are *not* *not* *not* one and the same...

The Landreich military is considerably more impressive, IIRC
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Does it mean that the S in VHS stand for ship? (bring back Big Grin!)
And what about EMS, XMS and BS (wait, that`s actually quite close: bullship?
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Bandit LOAF said:
Although allies, the Border Worlds and the Landreich are *not* *not* *not* one and the same...

The Landreich military is considerably more impressive, IIRC
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What is (in terms of strength) the Border Worlds army while we're at it?
 
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What is (in terms of strength) the Border Worlds army while we're at it?
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Though Border Worlds military status isn't as nicely explained as the Landreich, it would appear that the Landreich does in fact have more ships than the UBW. BW just like the Landreich use obsolete Confed ships, though sometimes they do use their own ships (Banshee/Avenger/Vindicator). However it seems that the Landreich has definetly greater strength in carriers than UBW. Though they probably do have some carriers, other than the Durnago class, which is realy a converted destroyer and is a bi*** to take off from acording to the WC4 novel, the Landreich uses the same class as the Tarawa on a somewhat large scale.
 
Wing Commander has never gone into detail regarding the Army...

The Border Worlds Navy has a few ships that barely qualify as carriers. Two escort carriers, two Durangos and a pair of modified transports that can carry fighters.

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Wing Commander has never gone into detail regarding the Army...
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True, but unlike the BW, the Landreich is featured in quite a few novels. And their military is more explained than the UBW military.

The Border Worlds Navy has a few ships that barely qualify as carriers. Two escort carriers, two Durangos and a pair of modified transports that can carry fighters.
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Yeah, not to mention that those transports are only used to carry the fighters to the carriers, and take any damaged ones back with them. Though seing how the Durangos are destroyers, which aren't that expensive compared to a carrier, they might as well have more then two. The two of which we know of are the Intrepid and the Tango.
 
We see the entire fleet assembled in the novel... and we're also told that the two fighter transports *can* launch fighters.

As for the army -- I was referring to the actual army... as in one of the branches of the services. The army of *any* power is barely mentioned, ever.

The Landreich have played important parts in three novels, the Border Worlds in one.

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Cruisers have small bays. The Ajax has a little door you can see in WC3.

In the Behemoth fight, Bear is flying off of the Coventry I think. Perhaps they had a small squad of Arrows. The ship is big enough to stow them. I think there is a little door on the back of those deystroyers too.

The BW have deystroyers that fly fighters-the Durango class I think is two old Confed deystroyers joined by a flight bay but I'm not sure. The ship seems to be too big to be as old as described to have been a single ship before the "conversion".

The Pirates use a frigate for a base of operations, whether that means the frigate carries fighters or not is uncertain. The ship Paladin rode on (not the shuttle)was a frigate in the game that looked more like a deystroyer but was described as a modern light escort carrier. It had a squad of Excaliburs aboard.

This is what I've gathered, maybe you other guys have better ideas?
 
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We see the entire fleet assembled in the novel... and we're also told that the two fighter transports *can* launch fighters.
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I know that, but unlike the Durango, which can stand in a fight, taking a converted transport into action would be suicide.
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In the Behemoth fight, Bear is flying off of the Coventry I think. Perhaps they had a small squad of Arrows. The ship is big enough to stow them. I think there is a little door on the back of those deystroyers too.
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No, no no. Bear is a CO of the Coventry. He doesen't fly. Also, the writers made a mistake. They said that from the Victory's escorts only the Coventry had fighters, but we know that they did mistake the Coventry for a cruiser. So technicly the destroyer doesen't have fighters, the Tallahasse has 4 fighters.

The BW have deystroyers that fly fighters-the Durango class I think is two old Confed deystroyers joined by a flight bay but I'm not sure.
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I already said the Durango class is a destroyer, it was obsolete in Confed a decade before WC4. The Durango is one destroyer, with a flight deck mounted under it's belly, it's not two destroyers connected together.

The ship seems to be too big to be as old as described to have been a single ship before the "conversion".
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To big? It is wider than the destroyers of the same class as the Coventry, but it is short. It definetly is only one ship, not two connected ships.

The Pirates use a frigate for a base of operations, whether that means the frigate carries fighters or not is uncertain.
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The frigates the Pirates use in WC4 do have fighters since they're modified. And it's understandable since those frigates are larger than the Tallahasse class

The ship Paladin rode on (not the shuttle)was a frigate in the game that looked more like a deystroyer but was described as a modern light escort carrier. It had a squad of Excaliburs aboard.
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Paladins *ship* isn't shown in the game. The ship Paladin came on isn't a frigate, but an escort carrier, the TCS Eagle. We know that Spyder was on that ship, and he and his squadron were suposed to make the raid on Kilrah.


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The only ship in WC3 that is there is the frigate. Yes I know the TCS Eagle, but the game doesn't have escort carriers. Maybe they didn't have time to make one, maybe it shrouds itself in a deystroyer appearence, I don't know but there is no other reason for a frigate being there in place of the Coventry, Ajax, and Sheffield.
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So thus as I attempted earlier, the frigates might not need to be converted to carry fighters. That absolutely doesn't mean the Frigate is still supposed to be a CVE, it just means it can ferry fightercraft. Frigates are big ships, and heavy as CVEs.
 
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As is clearly demonstrated by WC2 SO1+2, any ship can be used as a base of operation for fighters, simply because a fighter can dock with it. But obviously, this isn't done too frequently, due to the problems of having to repair a damaged fighter while wearing a space suit
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. Such an arrangment is probably only used on covert ops into enemy territory... *cough*

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Quarto: Do you really think I'm that stupid to actually compare the Epee to the Icarus by their stats?
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Of course, I meant that there are some similarities in design when I made that statement.

Sorry, but I'm a little pissed because my TV set rolled over and died today taking my VCR with it. Damn, just when I thought I had a little money left to upgrade my computer! Life sucks!

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