I'm new here, and I'm glad to see a WC community

Oh HE NEVER EXISTED nugget, now change the subject quickly before I do *g*

I'm getting incredibly confused now BTW Any chance we could have a "where blair was at this point in time" section in the timeline before my head explodes?
 
The point is that, for whatever reason, Bossman survived the movie since we see him later -- just like a "games-only" person assumes that Admiral Richards survives False Colors because we see him later.

The best theory I've heard is that he was captured by the Kilrathi rather than 'vaporized' by radiation -- which fits with the current story pretty darned well.

As for Blair, his history isn't too hard to follow... I don't have any detailed information here, since I'm at work, but here's a basic Blair timeline...

2630 - Born.
2635 - Parents killed at Peron. Adopted by Aunt & Uncle.
2653 - Does his cadet cruise onboard the TCS Formidable.
2654 - Graduates TCSNA, attends flight school, servers on a cruiser and at the Academy briefly, assigned to Tiger's Claw.
2656 - Tiger's Claw destroyed, Blair is demoted and sent to Caernarvon.
2665 - Blair goes from Caernarvon to the Concordia.
2667 - Destroys K'Tithrak Mang, promoted to Colonel. Serves with Secret Ops. Made Wing Commander of the Concordia.
2668 - Wounded at Battle of Terra while serving onboard Concordia. Spends six months in a military hospital.
2669 - Transferred to TCS Victory. War ends. Transfers to Diplomatic Corps and then goes to inactive duty. Move to farm on Nephele.
2673 - Called back to active duty onboard TCS Lexington. Defects to Border Worlds during the two week crisis. Promoted to Brig. General, serves onboard TCS Intrepid.
2676(?) - Switches to Naval comission to design Midway class ships.
2681 - Midway comes online. Captured by Nephilim and later rescued. Killed in action at Kilrah.
 
I'm not saying he's dead or alive... but in that case (without official confirmation) it seems logical that the report would be MIA (presumed KIA)... I'm not saying either way.
 
Ofcourse the alternative is that the timelines are seperate and its a perfectly plausable one :)

Anyway my problem with the timeline is Blair arrived on the Tigers Claw after the academy in the movie and during in the cartoon, Tolwyn was on board during WCA not WCM so... where was Blair between postings?

And hes definatley only MIA in my book, who cares what confed says :)
 
Ah, you are confused regarding the nature of WCA.

The series itself is *not* the Terran Confederation Space Naval Academy -- it's, literally, the Wing Commander Academy... which is an advanced command school.

That sounds funny -- but it's true... tis from the WCA press kit posted here a while ago.

The first episode of Academy takes place at *Flight School* -- which Blair/Maniac/etc. attended *after* graduating the TCSNA on Hilthros. *Then* they're assigned to the Tiger's Claw... and then (after the first WCA episode, Red and Blue) the movie takes place. The rest of the series takes place *during* WC1, around the 2654 Sivar ceremony.

Fun note: WCA is actually referenced in the Confed Handbook -- check out the flight school review of Maniac and Blair... it talks about how they destroyed the Kilrathi blockade runner.
 
All right, just because I'm interested to see the explanation for these:
In Wing Commander Academy TV, Blair encounters an invisible fighter (prototype). At first Tolwyn doesn't believe him, but later does. At the beginning of WC2, Tolwyn again doesn't believe him! He has a bad memory...
Also, in the movie, they had skipper missiles, which according to the game they didn't get until WC3. This is from the WC3 script:
EISEN (V.O.)
A Confed civilian transport ship is moving through the Orsini System. She’s going to need escort. Especially since Intell reports that the Kilrathi are testing a new “cloaked” missile.
-> (beat)
Confed has code-named these new weapons “Skippers” because they apparently skip in and out of cloak every few seconds to maintain contact with their target. You can see them one second . . . then they’re gone the next.

A new cloaked missile? Not very new then, if they had them before WC1. And don't tell me it's a new version, because then they wouldn't have code-named them skippers again, and Eisen wouldn't have had to explain it to him.

I'm not trying to cause an upstir, I just like these kinds of discussions. (as long as they don't become flame wars) :)
 
O.K. let´s get something straight. WC universe started in 1990. After that there was a bunch of games, a bunch of books, a TV series and even a movie. Hundreds of persons worked on those WC related products. Now, do you seriously believe that all those persons had the same point of view about it? If you tell a story to
100 different people they will tell it in 100 different ways.
Now, about the movie. Ever saw "Planet of the Apes" ? Ever read the book? Did you know that the book was written by a french author? That America is not present in any aspect of the story? So, why did they changed that in the movie? Because it was an american movie to be seen in America. Just like the WC movie wasn't made only to please the WC fans, but all audience in general. Yes they changed some details, so what? It's WC, and that's enough for me.
Well this is my opinion.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF

2681 - Midway comes online. Captured by Nephilim and later rescued. Killed in action at Kilrah.

Ummmm... did his getting "rescued" occur in SO?... i haven't played but 1/3 of the way thru WCP, but all the info I've ssen here indicates that he is, shall we say, "MIA". That said, where do you get that he was "KIA" at Kilrah? Please tell me, as I'm most curious about these things :)
 
Originally posted by Unforgiven
All right, just because I'm interested to see the explanation for these:
In Wing Commander Academy TV, Blair encounters an invisible fighter (prototype). At first Tolwyn doesn't believe him, but later does. At the beginning of WC2, Tolwyn again doesn't believe him! He has a bad memory...


That fighter isn't *invisible*. You can see it just fine. It has a sensor cloak, like the Excalibur in WC3. Tolywn makes a comment at the end of the series to never mention that fighter again, or something along those lines. So apparently he didn't *forget*, he didn't want to face the facts that they might have actually had a cloaked fighter.

Also, in the movie, they had skipper missiles, which according to the game they didn't get until WC3. This is from the WC3 script:
EISEN (V.O.)
A Confed civilian transport ship is moving through the Orsini System. She’s going to need escort. Especially since Intell reports that the Kilrathi are testing a new “cloaked” missile.
-> (beat)
Confed has code-named these new weapons “Skippers” because they apparently skip in and out of cloak every few seconds to maintain contact with their target. You can see them one second . . . then they’re gone the next.

A new cloaked missile? Not very new then, if they had them before WC1. And don't tell me it's a new version, because then they wouldn't have code-named them skippers again, and Eisen wouldn't have had to explain it to him.

He just says a new type of cloaked missle. It's a new skipper. They've known about skippers for a long time, but i'm sure it's standard procedure to breif about new forms of weapons. The skipper in WC3 WAS just a new type of skipper missle.
 
Originally posted by Preacher


Ummmm... did his getting "rescued" occur in SO?...

No, it occurs in Prophecy. Don't you remeber Blair's flashbacks about the Bugs? That's after his rescue.
 
Oh come on, if they had skippers back then would people have really been laughing about the idea of cloaked fighters in WC2 :p
You see this is another one of those things that doesn't gel and I just don't like those things :( Possible but doesn't feel at all right.
 
Originally posted by Shooter


No, it occurs in Prophecy. Don't you remeber Blair's flashbacks about the Bugs? That's after his rescue.

He just said hes only played through 1/3 of Prophecy.


Preacher: He is rescued later in the game only to go missing around Kilrah at the end of Prophecy. He is not in SO at all.
 
Yeah, Tolwyn clearly had problems admitting that the *stealth* fighter (not a cloaked ship, people...) existed. We see him fighting with Halcyon in SWC over the cloaked fighters -- Halcyon insists they exist and Tolwyn adimantly denies it. (It was supposed to set up a console version of WC2 which never happened).

Based on the Handbook and the novel, the cloaked missile in the movie is a prototype... and I would submit that making a missile, invisible while travelling in only a straight line and containing no living tissue, is *quite* different than making a fighter invisible.
 
Originally posted by Shooter


No, it occurs in Prophecy. Don't you remeber Blair's flashbacks about the Bugs? That's after his rescue.

As I said, I only played about 1/3 of the way thru WCP. However, I have the Strat Guide, and it has Blair go missing (presumed dead) at the last mission of the game (when he goes in to take down one of the wormhole transmitters, and meets up w/ the bugs' "Warlord"). How does this gel with the
missing > recovered>missing again
storyline pointed out earlier in this thread?...Duz the wormhole deal occur in Kilrathi space (and thus corresponz to what I read in the Strat guide)?... Lemme know. Thx :confused:
 
First, blair flys on your wing and gets caught. Then, later, you find him. Then, later (at the end of the game) he goes 'missing'.
 
I always thought seeing that end scene, Blair deserved to die if he was stupid enough to just pause for a few seconds when he saw some stuff dripping down from above without looking up.

Course, we don't know for sure tha he's dead, for all we know he blasted the crap out of that bug (A 'la starship troopers) before it could do any damage to him. And we see that pod he was in floating around in space undamaged. Why they didn't send anyone back to check it out is beyond me. Anyway. Lets avoid this topic, otherwise it'll get massive (again).
 
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