What's More Impressive?

[Earthworm]

The Avenger is a bomber, and the Vind has speed almost the same as the T-bolt, not the 'cat. The Banshee should be a medium fither, and the Vind a heavy fighter.

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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
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[Death]

The Vindicator is called a medium because of its defenses (shields/armor). Likewise The Banshee.

Having said that, though, the Banshee is my favorite WC4 fighter, even over the MunchMobile... err, Dragon.

Would've preferred the T-bolt, but that's an option only available in the novel.

*mumble*Dirty bastards...*mumble*

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SubCrid Death
Official Net.Nazi, LOAF's Merry Guild



[This message has been edited by Death (edited February 13, 2000).]

 

[Earthworm]

The Vindicator is called a medium because of its defenses (shields/armor). Likewise The Banshee.

But Vindicators shields are as strong as T-bolts, and Excals (both heavy fighters) and it's aromr is better than those two. It has the same amount of missiles as a heavy fighter, and has almost as many torps as the two bombers in the game. And Banshee has very strong shields for a light fighter, and it's armor is almost as good as on the Hellcat. It's guns are also far superior to Hellcats guns, and it has more missiles.

Having said that, though, the Banshee is my favorite WC4 fighter, even over the MunchMobile... err, Dragon.

Same here. Though if you're fighting against 4 other Dragons on Nightmare, the game isn't realy to easy.

Would've preferred the T-bolt, but that's an option only available in the novel.

*mumble*Dirty bastards...*mumble*

Again, I agree. The T-bolt was my favorite fighter in WC3, untill the Excal came along.

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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton

[This message has been edited by Earthworm (edited February 13, 2000).]

 

[Quarto]

Kalkrath: That's probably because they're stolen

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Actually, they're not, but you never know.

But personally, I always loved the Vindicator. It's far superior to anything Confed throws at you, and the rear turret is real useful when you're in the "dead" zone. I'd've never made it without it

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[Earthworm]

Kalkrath: That's probably because they're stolen

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Actually, they're not, but you never know.

Yes, those fighter are actualy better than Confeds, except the Bearcat and the Dragon. Though you should see what ships the BW are flying in the WC4 novel. It's full of Ferrets, Rapiers and some other older fighters (just don't start saying that Forstchen is crazy. It's actualy more realistic that they're using fighters that are so much older than what they had in WC4).

But personally, I always loved the Vindicator. It's far superior to anything Confed throws at you, and the rear turret is real useful when you're in the "dead" zone. I'd've never made it without it

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Actualy I find the superior speed and manuverebility of the Banshee a better advantage than a rear turret.



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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton

 

[Death's Head]

If you look in the terminal for the Avenger it says HEAVY FIGHTER. What could be more canon than that?

Vindicator's recharge rate sucks, it has one of the lowest rates of all fighters in WC4 if not THE worst. I still like the ship, maybe it's something to do with the eight guns, a turret, 3 to 4 torpedo slots, and six missiles.

 

[Earthworm]

If you look in the terminal for the Avenger it says HEAVY FIGHTER. What could be more canon than that?

Doesen't it say the same thing about the 'bow? Anyhow, the WC4 manual and the official guide say that it's a torpedo bomber. And the fact that it has the speed of a bomber, shields/armor of a bomber, lots of missiles and torps, just like a bomber, and a rear turret which is found on all bombers and only some fighters, sure makes it look like a bomber.



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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton

 

[Death]

The Banshee's main gun loadout (4 lasers) may be weak, but when you switch to the scatter cannon, you've got the firepower of a medium fighter, if not a lower-end heavy (each of the 5 bolts is an Ion... 5 ions ain't exactly light armament). Dump damage control power into guns, maybe with a notch for shields, and go to town.

(As for the spread of the shots, I usually engage up-close anyhow (Pliers always had to repaint my ship when I returned, I scraped off so much paint each mission

), so there's not really any room for the shot patern to spread.)

Hell, even the jamming frigate in Peleus dies after like 4 shots or so from the scatter cannon, meaning you can load up guided missiles to deal with the fighters after the fig is dead (hence lifting the jamming).

Finding the guys in the dead zone missions isn't a big problem for me. Following one of Murphy's Laws of Space Combat, If in doubt about where the enemy is, look behind you. That's where he'll be.

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SubCrid Death
Official Net.Nazi, LOAF's Merry Guild

 

[Penguin]

Earthworm: I never said I hate the Vindicator. I just said it was a bit weird. Banshee's good fun. Just hold the trigger button then stick to the bad guy like stink on crap.

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[Death's Head]

You saud yourself, Earthworm the BW have some fairly unconventional ships, and about the longbow being a heavy fighter, I can't comment on that because I don't have WC4 loaded, but I recall it being a torp bomber, which I think seems to be pretty canon given all the sources saying it is indeed a bomber.

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Don't look conspicuous-it draws fire.

 

[Penguin]

I've checked the WC4 manual. It calls the Longbow a torpedo bomber. If it says that than the game probably says the same thing.
However it also says 4 2 slot missile hardpoints & 2 1 slot missile hardpoints. That doesn't sound right. Mabe a typo...

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Just a little explanation: in NZ jailed criminals have access to computers & some jailed paedophiles downloaded unwholesome porn. This led to more legal wrangling over prisoner rights.

 

[Death's Head]

Typos are common in the WC universe.

There are 4 4 slot(medium) hardpoints and 4 single slot(heavy) hardpoints on the Longbow.

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Don't look conspicuous-it draws fire.

 

[Grimloc]

We're taking this one to 200 replies!

Typos in Wing Commander... I would know of many, seeing as how the only WC manual I ever owned was the Claw Marks. Oh, I've played almost all the games, I just haven't seen all the manuals.

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[Penguin]

The simple explanation is that there are more talkative people around.

 

[TC]

The Longbow is DEFINATELY a torpedo bomber... hence being slow, un-maneuverable and it carrying torpedos...

TC

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CAG of the Blacklance HQ
"Canadian and proud of it"-TC

 

[Quarto]

Don't you just hate these times when a thread is just about to hit a new page, but it hasn't quite gotten there, and as a result it takes forever to load?

...And all that loading, just to see Kalkrath repeat what has already been said two pages ago... Sigh...

Yes, we know the Avenger is better. But can't you come up with a more interesting reason than "it kicks serious ass"?
I dare you to come up with something that hasn't been said before

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[No Regret]

It is better because it has the stormfire, wich would even make an epee a good fighter.

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[Primate]

I never could quite master the Vindicator.

But what about the Bearcat? That ship had some serious speed and maneuverability (best in the game), even if it's weapons (4 l. tachyons & 2/3-slot hardpoints) weren't so hot. They also had a great rate of fire and a pretty quick recharge IIRC.

Is it just my imagination, or do secondary weapons not have targeting reticles (can't think of the oficial name, not that I need any

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[Death's Head]

The avenger is a better ship for a number of reasons, for one it forces a pilot to rely more on a fexible gun array rather than expensive missiles.

Back in the Vietnam conflict, missiles cost millions of dollars a kill while gun kills cost hundreds to thousands of dollars.

The 2 leech guns, 2 HV Mass, 2 HV photon, 2 stormfire, a mass driver turret, a tractor beam, 4 torpedo and 8 missile slots, better speed and turn ratios make the ship much more usefull than the Longbow, as it can kill capships and fighters with equal ease.

The Longbow has a better gun in its turret, slightly thicker armor, and better sheilds. These stats are offset by its increased sluggish handling and speed. So that leaves the added missile load, which is formidable, but the ship will likely be shot down before the missile load is shot off.

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Don't look conspicuous-it draws fire.

 

[Earthworm]

(4 l. tachyons & 2/3-slot hardpoints) weren't so hot. They also had a great rate of fire and a pretty quick recharge IIRC.

Actualy it's 2/4 slot missile hardpoints.

Is it just my imagination, or do secondary weapons not have targeting reticles (can't think of the oficial name, not that I need any

Nope, it's not just you. The special weapons don't have the ITTS reticle.

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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton

[This message has been edited by Earthworm (edited February 18, 2000).]