What happened to the Vesuvius?

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Alright, everyone remembers the gigantic Vesuvius and St. Helens from WCIV right? What I don't get is that where are they? I mean in Wing Commander Pro. there was no mention of them. I mean the Midway is all fine and dandy but picture this a new grand fleet... Midway class megacarrier in the center, flanked by Vesuvius supercarriers, and destroyers and cruisers as escorts. show that to the now defunct Kilrathi!
 
Nothing happened to them. There were three confirmed Vesuvius class carriers built. The Vesuvius get destroyed in WC4 of course, the St Hellens is destroyed in Secret Ops, and the TCS McKinley is mentioned in the SO fiction.

There's also the TCS Eisen from Prophecy, which could be a Vesuvius class carrier, but there's nothing to confirm or deny that.

The Midway class is cheaper which is why Confed is planning to built ten of them as oposed to making more Vesuvius' or other carriers. After the war the economy was quite messed up, and Confed had to go for cheaper solutions, which is what the Midway is.
 
The Midway is supposed to be the center of a fleet too. It'd have Murphies and Plunketts with it, not Vesuvius class carriers.
 
O.K. I admit it

The vesuvius class is kinda antiquated yet I still can't get over the fact that Confed is putting all their eggs in one basket. Take a look at that fleet destroyer in Wing Commander Pro. Imagine just for one second that that thing plunked one dead on the Midway. There goes Confed's influence in that sector until they can get another ship in there. Another thing that bothered me is that I don't care how powerful that midway ship is I would not even dare send it into a hot zone without some sort of cruiser or destroyer escort. I mean although it a moblie starbase at in terms of size, i think that an escort of something more that fighters would be a lot better. But don't get me wrong, who would complain about having some panthers and vampires doing some BARCAP around the midway.
 
The Midway was not designed to go into a warzone alone. As Prophecy tells us, it's designed to be a command ship for a fleet. Further, that "eggs in one basket" thing was resolved in WCP too. Due to whatever reason, it was cheaper to build ten Midways than overhaul the aging fleet of heavy carriers, which probably don't number very many to begin with.
 
agree, old ships are a nightmare in repairs, new ships must be cost efective and have little maitemance requirements.
Midway were never made to go to war alone, just to be supercops in peace time.
 
I have a new question, if officially the flash pack is used against the vesuvius, then the vesuvius should be able to be recovered. The flash pack superheats the atmosphere and kills the people so why cant a salvageteam use the hull and intact systems (there should be some left if not most) then with some extensive repairs, yet not so expensive they would be cost prohibitive, the ship could be servicable, esp. since the Vesuvius was in the Sol System.
Just a thought but for all we know the Vesuvius was recovered rearmed/built and then Will Eisen died and it was renamed after him (this assumes that the TCS Eisen is infact a Vesuvius, a fact I am not convinced of)
These were just a few thoughts
 
what exactly happened to the St. Helens? Dont remember that section - then again I hadnt played WC4 when I got SO and didnt play much attention to names =/
 
Originally posted by Napoleon
I have a new question, if officially the flash pack is used against the vesuvius, then the vesuvius should be able to be recovered. The flash pack superheats the atmosphere and kills the people so why cant a salvageteam use the hull and intact systems (there should be some left if not most) then with some extensive repairs, yet not so expensive they would be cost prohibitive, the ship could be servicable,
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The ship blows up from the inside. Yeah the hull remains mostly in one piece, but it's a total wreck inside.

Besides, just look at the Lexington. Internal explosions finished her of, but the hull remained. Confed decided to reuse it, and later it turned out that it would have been cheaper to start from scratch.
 
The is a vesuvius on SO, but it have no name,its know as the CCarrier.
BTW, they sould had correct that skin part, its just ugly with that part of the ConFed Badge out of place.
And the Vesuvius strikes again, a very loved ship.
Someone sould make a mission were we fly of that ship or from the cerebus near it.
 
Originally posted by Chernikov
what exactly happened to the St. Helens? Dont remember that section - then again I hadnt played WC4 when I got SO and didnt play much attention to names =/
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The St. Helens was destroyed by a Nephilim fleet during an SO CGI scene. forget which episode it was the start of. it and a transport got it, but the other transport running escort jumped out in the nick of time.
 
Where is your proof, Knight? Like Dragon said, that ship wasn't given an actual name. You should never assume anything when it comes to Wing Commander.
 
The is a vesuvius on SO, but it have no name,its know as the CCarrier.
BTW, they sould had correct that skin part, its just ugly with that part of the ConFed Badge out of place.
And the Vesuvius strikes again, a very loved ship.
Someone sould make a mission were we fly of that ship or from the cerebus near it.
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Unfortunately, the Vesuvius in SO is there really just for the cutscenes, so the SO crew took some shortcuts while creating it. For example, several turrets are placed the wrong way - they can still shoot at you, but it's difficult to shoot back because they're inside the carrier.
 
Q, i think you can change the turret positions in the vesuvius with a turrert editor...
Btw, any progress with the 'skipper'?
 
Yeah, you can, but you have to be less lazy than me :).

I haven't touched the Skipper for at least a month and a half... to be honest, it's not particularly high on my priority list - at least it's not as high as UE.
 
Originally posted by KrisV
The Midway is supposed to be the center of a fleet too. It'd have Murphies and Plunketts with it, not Vesuvius class carriers.
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that's right Carriers aren't flanked by carriers.
 
Originally posted by WildWeasel
Where is your proof, Knight? Like Dragon said, that ship wasn't given an actual name. You should never assume anything when it comes to Wing Commander.
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Since there were only "3" made, (most will argue the Eisen thing...) and the Ves was destroyed in WCIV, and the Eisen was in Sol, that only leaves one. It had to be one or the other, and since it was my understanding the Eisen was back in Sol with the Midway for repair, refit and to gather another squadron, that kinda cuts it down. There is the chance that the Eisen work was completed and it was sent in to back up the Cerberus, but I just don't go along with that. Forgive me for being an opinionated asshole. My nature.
 
Originally posted by Knight
Since there were only "3" made, (most will argue the Eisen thing...)
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What aboute the McKinley?

and the Eisen was in Sol, that only leaves one. It had to be one or the other, and since it was my understanding the Eisen was back in Sol with the Midway for repair,
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That's speculation, like you said, we don't know if the Eisen is a Ves class ship, but more so, we don't know anything else about the Eisen. Including any possible damage it might have suffered. Also, the Midway wasn't in Sol at the SO time...



There is the chance that the Eisen work was completed and it was sent in to back up the Cerberus, but I just don't go along with that.
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This is pure specualtion. We can't know if the Eisen even needed any work.
 
the Eisen\Vesuvius\McKinley\St. Helens question strikes again (and most likely again and again).
I would like to ask.
a) were do we know about the McKinley? (sorry, I have read no novels, so please tell me)
b) did anybody ask that to Origin?
 
You're as opinionated as the rest of us. :)

I understand your logic when you say the the Eisen was behind for repairs. However, there is no proof that the Eisen is even a Vesuvius-class carrier. I know that we've been through this argument a thousand times, but nowhere does it say what class the Eisen is.

You're also forgetting about the TCS McKinley. If I recall correctly, it was in the area at the time of this crisis. This means that we cannot be sure which ship was destroyed. Besides, I thought that there were more than three Vesuvius-class carriers built. It is true that we only know of these three, but does Wing Commander IV state how many were (going to be) built?
 
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