Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
I don't think I said anything at all about promotions.
Chevieblazer said:so basically what you're saying is that, only regarding the character of tolwyn, he first was commodore of the claw (wca, ep1) then was promoted to commanding admiral of the 14th fleet on the concordia supercruiser in wcm and then went back to be the captain of the claw by mid october of the same year at the latest.
is that correct?
no, you didn't but the timeline you outlined in you previous post suggests that, since tolwyn is an admiral in wcm, andf that takes place between several wca episodes, in all of which he's "just" a comodore
One thing you are 'bypassing' is the flagship system. A commander of a fleet is expected to reside in that fleet most of the time, and so he'll have to pick a ship to make his home. Admiral "Bulldog" Halsey was not the captain of the USS Missouri at the end of WW2, but it was his flagship, so that's the ship he was on. I don't think Tolwyn was ever "captain" of any of the ships we see him on, they were merely his flagship. And it would be called a "flagship" because Admiralty is a "flag" rank, not because the ship is 1337 somehow, but it's typically prefered that it is. I mean, seriously, who wants to command from some rusty old Venture corvette.
Bandit LOAF said:While this is generally accurate, you forget Tolwyn's penchant for "usurping" command of his flagships himself.
t.c.cgi said:"Admirals by definition do not usurp..."
Yes, I know he tends to bench the ship's captain in favor of going hands-on, but he's never "the captain", so he doesn't 'return to captaining the TC' he just moves his flag there, as he does with other ships (such as the Victory, Concordia, etc). A micromanaging quality that I've never seen appreciated with my own eyes.
RAT said:To LOAF - Nonsence?
See the wca wcm wc1
You storiline - thet is nonsence!
in wc1 blair is SECOND LEUTENANT!
in WCA - CADET!!!
Chevieblazer said:how come that bossman was dead in wcm, and back to life in wc1? and what about paladin? he was officially retired(though inofficially intelligence) from the service, and in wc1 he's serving on the claw as a normal pilot, to be back to "retired" in wc3
Chevieblazer said:and angel? she was the wing commander in wcm(know this because blair says he screwed up with the wc after his encounter in bossman's cockpit and in wc1 she's just a captain?(and don't tell me that's the same because iceman bossman and paladin were outranking her)
Mace said:I believed that the movie took place after academy, not during, however the end of red and blue tolwyn ordered them to head for the tiger's claw, he was present at the academy, then the tiger's claw and not aboard the concordia at the other side of confederation territory. given date facts might say different, but i'd say the
following order would seem more "real"(to me)
this might contradict a lot of "set rules", but this was my vision of the timeline,
feel free to tell me where I am definitely wrong.
ok, guys, take it easy.
rat, loaf is pretty much a walking wc lexicon, so i doubht you can beat him by just saying "you are wrong"
how about that:
how come that bossman was dead in wcm, and back to life in wc1? and what about paladin? he was officially retired(though inofficially intelligence) from the service, and in wc1 he's serving on the claw as a normal pilot, to be back to "retired" in wc3
and angel? she was the wing commander in wcm(know this because blair says he screwed up with the wc after his encounter in bossman's cockpit and in wc1 she's just a captain?(and don't tell me that's the same because iceman bossman and paladin were outranking her)
I believed that the movie took place after academy, not during, however the end of red and blue tolwyn ordered them to head for the tiger's claw, he was present at the academy, then the tiger's claw and not aboard the concordia at the other side of confederation territory. given date facts might say different, but i'd say the following order would seem more "real"(to me)
WCA, by the end of the series, after the dolos encounter, blair and maniac
go back to the academy for graduation.
wing commander movie, tolwyn get's word from the pegasus, and takes special
interest because of blair's presence on the dilligent(paladin was not in WCA,
so that they had never met does not contradict anything) the claw was now
flying with battered older fighters(losses during early stages of the conflict?
(other characters from the cartoon might have been killed in action or transferred by then)