The worst chewing out

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And I agree definitely with you on this:
Originally posted by Col.Dom
It wasn't that Halcyon's chew-outs were scary or terrible... they were more convicting and made me feel bad. (...)
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He was disappointed in your performance but (when you did good enough before) was very understanding at the same time. It made me want to re-play the mission because I didn't want him to be sad. ;)
Ah, Halcyon was/is my favourite commander generally. The others always treated you like shit when you did fail once, no matter how good you were before.
 
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Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
The others always treated you like shit when you did fail once, no matter how good you were before.
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Like Tolwyn. What a condescending meanie! Also, Eisen was just a big ol' bag o' hate, huh?

I still think Eisen's chews are the best ones :D
 
I miss Halcyon... I personally think he should've gotten more regard when the 'Claw went than he did. In fact, he got none, IIRC.
 
I don't think he got any mentioning after WC1 SM2 (except of course, in FF and the guide). And you're right, he would have deserved it. :)
 
Originally posted by dacis2
i don't remember wilford chewing me out after i nuked the kilrathi
and hawk. when does it happen?
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Later on, when the Kilrathi would normally save the Midway.
 
Missing Halcyon

Yeah, I miss the guy too. It really is too bad he never got any regard in the future games. Seeing how he was such an effective leader, you'd think Blair would mention him as an inspiration or even quote him.

You know, like when Catscratch kept bugging Blair with questions, I think a "Halcyon Approach," would have satisfied his constant curiosity.

And yes, the "You let me down, son," after failing to protect the marines left a huge frown on my face. Like I said, Halcyon's convicting.
 
Poor Halcyon.
Makes me wish Tolwyn had gone down with HIS ship. I certainly liked the Admiral better at the end of WC2 then I did in either of the later games.
That does seem to be the eventual fate of all of the 'good guys' in WC, however. About the only respectable 'normal' person who's never died or turned out to be a traitor is Eisen (not counting the newbies on board the Midway, who haven't had a chance to royally screw up yet).
I think in a lot of ways, the WC1 crew was a lot more upstanding than the later crews. The only oddball of the lot was Maniac (who is, ironically, one of the only two Tiger's Claw members still alive unless you add Doomsday), and pretty much every other person on board the Tiger's Claw was someone you could look up to and respect, from Halcyon on down. The group was an elite, tight-nit unit that worked well together and respected each other.
Starting with WC2, that all changed. You ended up with people like Stinger, who were forgetable at best, and ended up losing the better individuals, such as Downtown and Spirit. And that seems to be a trait that has more or less continued.
 
If the people you liked didn't die or defect, it wouldn't be as dramatic. Plus, I think maybe the reason all the crew of the 'Claw seemed like honorable, upstanding men was because it was through the eyes of a newbie (flying with Captains on up)... with ol' buddy Maniac being the only one equal in rank.

Then you get branded a traitor, spend your life doing crap patrols and work up to the ranks again. Suddenly, not everyone is so nice. It may just have been clever scripting on Origin's part....

Eisen technically does become a traitor. He defects to the Border Worlds! Of course, you learn he's on the "good," side since you're forced to go to it... but, if there were a separate branching plot for sticking with Confed the whole way through, I would never know that :p
 
It's a bit much to say that Eisen was a traitor to the Confederation because he went outside Confed to help expose a conspiracy that that literally reached the highest levels of the Confed military, and which if allowed to proceed would have both slaughtered billions of Confed citizens and would have a turned Confed into a travesty of everything it stood for. A man with the courage to do that is much more a patriot than those who meekly co-operate with something they know is wrong, and then justify it with that old escuse "I was just following orders." Throughout WC4, Eisen was acting in the cause of the democratically elected government of the Confederation, and against those who would subvert and destroy that government.

Best, Raptor
 
I'd like to have seen the chewing out when Maniac accidentally blew up his escort.
 
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Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Ah, Halcyon was/is my favourite commander generally. The others always treated you like $#!t when you did fail once, no matter how good you were before.
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WC has a very 'friendly' chummy feel to it - and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Amazing how quickly everyone forget's you're the Heart of the Tiger... and in WC you were a lieutenant nobody!
 
Originally posted by Wulf
I'd like to have seen the chewing out when Maniac accidentally blew up his escort.
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IIRC correctly, he accidently skragged a drayman he was escorting with a missile he launched at a kilrathi fighter
 
It was an FoF missile -- Angel says it was a 'heat seeking' missile, but Maniac specifically tells us it's a Pilum. Maniac didn't actually destroy the Drayman, but he severly damaged it, and the enemy fighters quickly finished it off.
 
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