212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
Any man who has nukes has a damned good right to tell me what the fuck to do.
That's alright; just don't do it again.vindicator said:*cries* don't hate me preacher
-- And obviously you dont know very much about religion (the Christian faith, anyway) either...let me put in simple terms for you, son: There is no room for hatred against any human in the Christian's heart. SIN, yes; sinNERS, no...Dark Knight said:well obviously you dont know very much about religion...let me put in simple terms for you son...ITS NOT RIGHT!
rac·ism-- I'm not. The French are only a "race" in the sense of "Tour de France" (usually won by a certain American, thank you very much)
Perhaps my statement was flawed; I don't strictly believe people are 100% hetero or homo. I think that some people are more oriented towards parts of the scale as others, close enough as to be considered one or the other. The hound in question may have simply been a confused near-heterosexual; in this case, the therapy was able to restore his outlook. That's an anomaly, though; it would be just as foolish to say that if one dog is purebred, all dogs are purebred. That's what pisses me off, and what I was trying to get across; the idea that ALL people are100% gay or ALL people are 100% straight. That's simply not true.-- No it's like saying that the existence of even ONE purebred dog refutes the theory that "All dogs are mutts"... Silly Bob; you should know better
LEGAL abortions, LEGAL alchohol sales. Bootleggers don't exactly like to cooperate with censuses-- Gee, that's funny; I seem to recall that since Roe v. Wade took effect, the # of abortions in this country have skyrocketed compared to before that; Once the legal age for drinking was dropped to 18, alcohol sales increased significantly; once RU-486 was made legal here, the drug company's sales of it have increased, etc., etc., etc.
The question is not "what CAN occur in some instances?"; the question is "what's LIKELY to occur most of the time?"
I HAVE looked it up, and I've pointed out how your logic is not only flawed in that respect, but also exhibits a twisted (though sadly common) view of history.-- Maybe not, but it is their job to ensure the health & survival of the citizenry, and of the republic, and legalizing gay marriage is counterproductive to both goals. I've posted my "why" previously here, so don't ask me the details; look it up yerself.
The point is that "success rates" are relative ... they're measured by how many times a person has gay sex, not how many time he or she is attracted to another man or woman. Much of the logic over reperative therapy seems to follow the idea that they're misguided heterosexuals - but unless you're willing to say you're attracted to males on a daily basis, I think we can discount that. Someone can choose to be celibate - they CAN'T choose their basic, hormonal urges.-- Um, no. Even if you accept that the success rates are far lower than what might be hoped for, the salient point is that it is possible at ALL. If it's possible at ALL, then it's not "hardwired" into them, since genetic traits are not open to being "changed" by force of will. Thus, the theory that it can't be "chosen" is refuted. In short, if you're talking about absolutes, even ONE becomes statistically significant...
That's all fine and well. It's just that my point of view unless all homosexual impulses are erased the treatment simply DOES NOT WORK AS ADVERTISED. I also personally believe it is unhealthy and dishonest to the individual. Quothe Shunryu Suzuki:-- Well, as far as the Christian faith is concerned, that would be sufficient. God does not condemn homo- or hetero- thoughts or feelings, only how the individual chooses to act on them. As a single hetero guy, if I got together w/ an old girlfriend of mine and started sleeping with her, I'd be just as guilty before God as any gay person sleeping with their partner. It ain't about the thoughts, it's about the actions.
No prob. Basically, with the completion of the canon of NT scripture (sequentially, if not chronologically, the book of Revelation), God's general revelations to mankind have completed. The Book is closed, so to speak, on any further such revelations from God. The entirety of Scripture as it has existed for the last x hundreds of years/millenia are viewed as being complete. Indeed, Paul specifically sez this:Quarto said:...Just to play the devil's advocate, I ...ask you this - how do you know that the appointment of a gay bishop isn't a sign from God regarding another policy shift?
-- You've yet to prove that the French are a "race"Bob McDobb said:...Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
...what I was trying to get across; the idea that ALL people are 100% gay or ALL people are 100% straight. That's simply not true.
...LEGAL abortions, LEGAL alchohol sales...
...I HAVE looked it up, and I've pointed out how your logic is not only flawed in that respect, but also exhibits a twisted (though sadly common) view of history.
Spluh, I'm worn out from the week and don't feel like responding in the near future ... let's just agree for now that generalizations are generally badPreacher said:-- On that point, you ain't successfully pointed out or exhibited squat. I'd be interested in seeing you try, though. The fact is, if you do a survey of all the great world Empires of the past (those from which we have sufficient information extant, that is), you'll see that more often than not, their downfall came as a result of corruption from within, rather than a superior enemy from without. And said corruption could be traced back, in large part, to the breakdown of the family unit and the resulting breakdown of morality of that culture.
So true, so true, and here we have discovered the root of all evil. Mankinds inability to accept its past mistakes so it will continue making them claiming everything they have done before was correct.Preacher said:The Book is closed.
Fair enough. Having established that - pray tell, exactly where do the scriptures talk about how bishops should be appointed and who is elegible for such positions? How about marriage - where do the scriptures talk about who is elegible to be married... indeed, where do they talk about who is elegible to conduct marriages? I haven't read much of the Bible, so partially I ask this out of curiosity... however, I'm also pretty sure that the answer to at least some of the above questions is 'nowhere'.Preacher said:No prob. Basically, with the completion of the canon of NT scripture (sequentially, if not chronologically, the book of Revelation), God's general revelations to mankind have completed. The Book is closed, so to speak, on any further such revelations from God. The entirety of Scripture as it has existed for the last x hundreds of years/millenia are viewed as being complete. Indeed, Paul specifically sez this:
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"
Consider, from Adam and Eve to The Flood = @2000 years.vindicator said:well here is what I say since it is documented that the churches of the past have always preached that Jesus is coming soon from Christopher columbus to Jerry Fawell and got it wrong so far I won't hold my breath
They've come and gone many times, beginning with Attilla. Go ahead and prepare yourself for the end of the world, but you're likely to be disappointed.Erkle said:The Bible lists several requirments of things that will come to past prior Jesus' second coming, most have come and gone recently (past 20 years).
Sounds like you two have a lot in common, then .But I fear that you are set in your ways and are not interested in what others may have to say which in contrast to your opinions.
Thats because I live in America. If that Korean communist shit tried anything with us, we could just ship over the lower-east side of NYC and take control of a third of asia in under a month.Bob McDob said:I don't exactly see you lining up to be ass-raped by our Glorious Leader Kim Jong-Il.