Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
First point, it seems that some people here still don't understand what I'm saying. I'm going to try explaining this one last time. WC1 was set in 2654, WC2 was around 2664-2668, Privateer was in 2669, WC3 was in 2669, WC4 was in the 2670's, and Prophecy was in the 2680's. So each installment CONTINUED the original WC series. The later games ADDED more information by continuing the series, they didn't REPLACE the earlier games.
This theory ignores two things:
* A basis for this being true. "This is how it is" isn't the same thing as "if it isn't like this, it's wrong".
* Many, many things that disprove it. Wing Commander Academy (1996) - takes place in 2654. Freedom Flight, published in 1992... takes place in 2655-6. False Colors, published in 1999 takes place in 2672. There's no "order" of releases to the games other than that the ones that follow one persons story went in order for a while (except even when they didn't - Super Wing Commander, 1994).
Now, take the movie. It was set in 2654, the SAME YEAR as the WC1 game. Technically, you could claim it was "background" for the WC1 game since it occurred slightly earlier. But there is only a very short amount of time - less than a year - between the WC movie and WC1. You can try explaining certain inconsitencies, such as the Rapier, by saying it was an older fighter that was suddenly replaced later in 2654. This explanation doesn't actually work very well because the WC bible specifically refers to the F-44A from WC1 as the "Rapier" and the F-44G from WC2 as the "Rapier II". But even if you accept the convoluted Rapier story, that type of explanation gets ridiculous when you look at the number of changes you'd have to explain. Is anyone seriously trying to claim that the Tiger's Claw, Broadswords, Dralthi, Skipper missiles, Confed and Kilrathi capital ship designs, and the nature of jump travel all changed suddenly between the WC movie and WC1? There's simply no way all those ships and technology could be completely redesigned and replaced in less than a year. That's the main problem I have with the movie. It REPLACES the WC1 ships and technlogy with totally new designs and provides no concieveable explanation of how all of these changes could possibly fit in with the rest of the WC setting.
The Rapiers are certainly different fighters - they have entirely different histories (and the differences are explained as such in the novel). Trying to pretend their not is silly.
The Roman numeral designates an entirely different type of aircraft -- the B-17G isn't the Flying Fortress VII. If the F-44G is the Rapier II, so is the YF-44A.
No one is seriously trying to claim that all these ships have been replaced - as best I can tell, since you refuse to be specific about any of this, most of whatever you're raving about is your own imagination. There's no change in jump travel, the Tiger's Claw is the same ship, Dralthi, Broadswords, Skippers etc. are all the same.
Secondly, regarding the idea that has been mentioned repeatedly that I might get banned for criticising the WC movie. Are you fucking kidding me? If any of the mods want to ban me for disagreeing with people, go right ahead. I seriously don't care one way or another. If the general attitude on these boards is "if you don't agree with us, we're going to ban you" then why would I want to post here in the first place? At any rate, I really don't see the point in continuing the WC movie dicussion because it's going around in circles and it's clear that certain people will vehemently attack anything I post simply because I don't agree with them. But if anyone has anything to add to the original topic about the size of the Confederation/Kilrathi territories, please do so.
This is offensively idiotic. At no point in this thread have I threatened to ban you - you are absolutely not being oppressed. If you can't win an argument, concede it like an adult -- don't pretend people are conspiring against you... and sure as hell don't try and make a point and *then* rave about how this is the last we'll hear from you.
And yet in the space of a few short years a lone Border World mechanic called pliers manages to build his own....god I love logic (aren't Strakha mass produced also)
Nope, the basis for the fact that they're incredibly rare comes from the Wing Commander III novel.