Ralgha nar Hhallas "Hobbes"

TCSTigersClaw

TCSTigersClaw

Greek Special Forces B' Company "Naoussa" 2007-200
Emmm just wondering......

Thrakkath made Hobbes a real traitor (bio experiment),so he could use him later (WC3)....

Hobbes said that after the words of Thrakkath he met the real part of himself.If Hobbes borned to be a traitor (expirement),then he should be less than 20 years old....
The war lasted 40 years...If Thrakkath planned to "make" a traitor this could not be from the begining of the war...It took some time....so if he take the decision even 10 years later,Hobbes is about 30 years old.....
Thats Impossible....unless the expiriment began when Hobbes was an adult,but as I said Hobbes tells Blair that he never met his old self before...

And something else,Thrakkath seems to be younger than Hobbes......

What about that ???????

Someone HELP:D

P.S. Hope I have replies in this THREAD cause in the "countermesoures" THREAD almost no one replied......:(
 
Ralgha nar Hhallas was born in 2641. Thrakhath turned him into 'Hobbes' and sent him over as a sleeper agent in 2655. For the first 14 years of his life he was simply Ralgha nar Hhallas, loyal Kilrathi warrior. The problem is that you're parsing Ralgha's message wrong -- he's saying that *Blair* has never met the true Ralgha nar Hhallas.

(Thrakhath, incidentally, was born *before* the war... in the early 30s -- so he's older than Ralgha).
 
OK LOAF thanks...Ill watch the Video again....I think that he said that neither Blair nor him met his real self "The one I never truly ment" he said something like that.....

OK Ill check it when I have my Pc back......
 
Er...

It'd be rather difficult to be a sleeper agent if Hobbes had never had a chance to develop a personality *before* the Hobbes overlay personality was created. Then the only personality that would exist would be that of Hobbes, and when the trigger was activated, and the Hobbes persona was destroyed, there would be no personality that was loyal to Kilrah.
 
According to the books, along with the game fiction, Hobbes was in command of the Ras Nik'hra when he was picked up for being a suspected traitor( Freedom Flight). But Thrakhath wouldn't allow them to use chemical interrogation on him.
So I think that Thrakhath used the personality overlay on Hobbes sometime between his defection and his gaining command of his ship.
This is just expositon with a lot of assumption, but it seems to work:)
 
Oh, the point of the Freedom Flight thing was that Thrakhath had already activated the personality overlay... and just before Ralgha was to take the Ras Nik'hra to the humans, the local government discovered that he was a "traitor" -- so Thrakhath had to free him.
 
All of this leaves me curious about one thing that we'll probably never know. The Rhalga cover identity was supposed to be a cousin to Thrakhath (iirc, mentioned once or twice before Thrakhath's comment about Hobbes being a cousin that "Hadn't tried to kill me," from SO1 - during Khasra's attempt). I'm curious as to whether or not he really was related to Thrakhath, and if so, how closely.
We'll probably never know.
 
I would imagine that he is -- everything about Ralgha's background would have been true so that Confed intelligence could confirm it...
 
Point taken, and probably correct, although iirc, Rhalga's note in the WC3 help book says that Rhalga himself never existed.
Best guess - the Rhalga identity and name was false, but he really was a relative of Thrakhath (perhaps a dishonored one). That way, a genetic test would seem to confirm his story.
 
Best guess - the Rhalga identity and name was false, but he really was a relative of Thrakhath (perhaps a dishonored one). That way, a genetic test would seem to confirm his story.
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That would make the most sense. It would explain why Hobbes is flying on Thrakhath's wing at the WC3 (if you didn't kill him earlier in the game).
 
A few important things to remember and/or ponder, kids:

Age comparisons are irrelevant in the first place, for the following reasons:

- Just like real kitties here on earth, the lifecycle/lifespan of Kilrathi "cats" ain't necessarily a 1: 1 match with ours. Maybe their normal lifespan is only as long as Earth kitties; on the other hand, maybe they outlive us by a factor of 2, 3, or 7!...

-As if that weren't confusing enuff, the very concept of "years" is entirely relative: We have no way of knowing how many Earth "years" are equivalent to how many Kilrah "years" (unless that's covered somewhere in the "canonical" universe--ask LOAF)

-Our day to day math is mostly based on the base 10 or decimal(?) system, whereas on Kilrah we know that theirs is based on base 8, or multiples of 8. Confusing just reading that, eh?...
 
Originally posted by Preacher
-Our day to day math is mostly based on the base 10 or decimal(?) system, whereas on Kilrah we know that theirs is based on base 8, or multiples of 8. Confusing just reading that, eh?...
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Reminds me of something I saw a few days ago (it may have been this board, but I don't think so - my apologies if it was).

There are only 10 kinds of people in this world.
Those who know binary, and those who don't.

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by junior


Reminds me of something I saw a few days ago (it may have been this board, but I don't think so - my apologies if it was).

There are only 10 kinds of people in this world.
Those who know binary, and those who don't.

:rolleyes:
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Corollary:

There are 11 kinds of people in this world.
Those who can count in binary and those who can't.

I will also clarify that the Kilrathi are not represented as communicating in base 8 (well, actually it'd be base 9 if they kept using the digit 8...) , they just use multiples of 8 like we can use multiples of a dozen.
 
If Ralgha were a young officer, as his supposed age of 14 Earth years at the time of defection would suggest, the it may be that BOTH the Hobbes AND the "Traitor Ralgha" (i.e. WC3) personalities are not his true self. It may be that Thrakhath's "Heart of the Tiger" message did not wake Ralgha's "true" personality, but instead awoke a "sleeper" personality that was preprogrammed to be fanatically loyal to Thrakhath and to carry out his bidding as an infiltrator.
 
Ehh, we know that Ralgha *did* exist 'before' the personality overlay, as we know he served with distinction during the Vega Campaign, and because we know all sorts of facts about his history througH Kirha (who had no overlay).

The fact that he's 28 in 2669 is given in his Victory Streak bio, and therefore in human years... it seems reasonable that Kilrathi must mature much more quickly than humans -- as they've evolved as a 'warrior' race and cannot safely spend years and years raising litters of young (you'll find many animals have evolved the same way...).
 
As to Hobbes' use during the war, it's possible that while he thought he was unconsious, the true personality took over, sending encripted intel back to Kilrah. It'd make since because otherwise, he provided information for only a few days before returning to the cats.
 
Hobbes was a "sleeper," just like in Telefon. It took a code word or phrase to activate them. In this case, it was Blair's Kilrathi name "The Heart of The Tiger." It even says so in the text for the holovid Hobbes left for Blair in the WC3 strategy guide.
 
Concordia I think you are wrong......the treacherous self of Hobbes waked up after the message of Prince Thrakkath...

Before that he was loyal to the Terran Confederation;)
 
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