Ralgha nar Hhallas "Hobbes"

Originally posted by TCSTigersClaw
Hope I have replies in this THREAD cause in the "countermesoures" THREAD almost no one replied.
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Perhaps because few people realised you meant "countermeasures". ;)

Originally posted by Ijuin
It may be that Thrakhath's "Heart of the Tiger" message did not wake Ralgha's "true" personality, but instead awoke a "sleeper" personality that was preprogrammed to be fanatically loyal to Thrakhath and to carry out his bidding as an infiltrator.
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Eh, it's been a wishful thought of mine (and some others) that the loyal Kilrathi personality of Ralgha was the false personality, but that's all it is - a wishful thought.

Originally posted by Ripper
Hobbes was a "sleeper," just like in Telefon.
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Telefon?
 
Countermesoures? Countermeasoures?

DAMN I mean decoys,chaff Whatever......


Damn my English....:mad:
 
Hey, don't take it too hard, I was just trying to help. I know many here don't have English as a first language, but sometimes it is a little hard to understand something if it's badly misspelled.
 
Its easy to read or listen to something and understand it.
I never had problem with Wc games Movies in English etc
But its very very difficult to write exactly what you are thinking in a foreign language.............

I also have a Vocabulary (<--- is that correct) problem :D
 
Originally posted by Ripper
Hobbes was a "sleeper," just like in Telefon. It took a code word or phrase to activate them. In this case, it was Blair's Kilrathi name "The Heart of The Tiger." It even says so in the text for the holovid Hobbes left for Blair in the WC3 strategy guide.
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Do we know if there is a pre-Blair significance of the expression "the heart of the Tiger" for the Kilrathi, Cause if not that would indicate a post vega campaign, pre secret missions, timeframe in which Hobbes was "overlaid" by Thakhath.

Blair would have to build up enough reputation as a cat Killer before the process... "And what of the human pilot who caused us so much trouble?" the emperor (or was it Thrakath) asked at the begining of WC2
 
Originally posted by AD
Do we know if there is a pre-Blair significance of the expression "the heart of the Tiger" for the Kilrathi, Cause if not that would indicate a post vega campaign, pre secret missions, timeframe in which Hobbes was "overlaid" by Thakhath.
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It's possible it comes from the Prophecy.... it really depends on how you translate it.

There shall come a time when one who has the Heart of a Kilrathi, but is not Kilrathi born, shall rain cleansing fire down upon us.

Of course, it seems rather stupid to give a name to your enemy that suggests the guy who brings about Kn'thrack...
 
Originally posted by TC
Of course, it seems rather stupid to give a name to your enemy that suggests the guy who brings about Kn'thrack...
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Well, if you look at his letter to Blair in the KSaga manual, it indicates that he wasn't the one who gave Blair the name, and he himself was somewhat sceptical about it. It may be that he continued to publically call Blair the Heart of The Tiger in hope that he would thus gain more glory when he killed Blair.
 
Maybe it's just old age setting in, but I don't remember anyone ever accusing the Kilrathi of being geniuses. Seems that their general approach to everything was stealth, brute force, ruthlessness, and stealing of technology.
 
While we know "Heart of the Tiger" is the trigger word, do we know it always had a context? It could be they decided upon that term, but the context was left open-ended so it could be made to fit when it was needed. I doubt they would rely on Hobbes to be in the presence of Blair.

Simple terms: Thraky decided at the last minute he would use Heart of the Tiger in reference to Blair, since that would be about the only way it would make sense without arousing suspicion. I mean, if Thraky paged you through a jump point and just said "Heart of the Tiger! Bwahahahahahaha!", wouldn't you be a little confused and/or think he had too much cat-nip? :D
 
The amount of time between the creation of Hobbes, and the use of the trigger word, would tend to suggest that Thrakhath had no idea what context would be possible when he finally used it. Being the sly Kilrathi that he was, he could have undoubtedly come up with any possible context that would allow him to use it without drawing suspicion - even if it was only to say (on a ship that Blair didn't serve on), "You have no chance because the Heart of the Tiger is not with you!"
However, every indication is that to the Kilrathi, Blair truly has earned his title. Thrakhath uses it to refer to Blair in the introduction sequence. When this occurs, Blair is currently not serving with Hobbes (although Tolwyn will assign him to the Victory very shortly), and there is no reason to believe that Thrakhath has given Blair the title as a way of diverting suspicion from Hobbes.
In short, the fact that Blair's title and Hobbes's activation switch are identical is pure coincidence, although no doubt Thrakhath hoped that some clueless Kilrathi wouldn't use the title in Hobbes presence during a dogfight that involved Blair.

(I can see it now - Hobbes and Blair are locked in a vicious fur ball with a group of Kilrathi. One of the Kilrathi calls out over the comms, "Today you will die, Heart of the Tiger!" Doh!)
 
My guess would be that Blair's title came first...

(Of course, presumbly *Thrakhath* has to say 'Heart of the Tiger'... not any random person...)
 
Originally posted by TC
It's possible it comes from the Prophecy.... it really depends on how you translate it.

There shall come a time when one who has the Heart of a Kilrathi, but is not Kilrathi born, shall rain cleansing fire down upon us.

Of course, it seems rather stupid to give a name to your enemy that suggests the guy who brings about Kn'thrack...
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Blair nickname was given by a lowborn (or dishonored) Kilrathi clan I think..I dont remeber where I saw it but Ill check it out again in my Wc manuals.

About what TC is talking about....

The Kilrathi Prophecy is talking about a guy who has a Heart of a Kilrathi (but is no Kilrathi born etc..).

Blair`s nickname was The Heart of the TIGER TIGER TIGER..

Kirathi is not a Tiger.Maybe the kilrathi when they named Blair knew about the human Tiger and its offenciveness etc and they named him.Nothing to do with Kilrathi.

Just like Human(Terran) is not an ape...
 
Originally posted by TCSTigersClaw
The Kilrathi Prophecy is talking about a guy who has a Heart of a Kilrathi (but is no Kilrathi born etc..).

Blair`s nickname was The Heart of the TIGER TIGER TIGER..

Kirathi is not a Tiger.Maybe the kilrathi when they named Blair knew about the human Tiger and its offenciveness etc and they named him.Nothing to do with Kilrathi.

Just like Human(Terran) is not an ape...
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If they wanted to offend Blair with a feline nickname, they would have called him "The Heart of the House Kitty".
There are many things that the Kilrathi would find respectable in a tiger, and both Kilrathi and tiger have much in common (as opposed to, say, a lion).
Heart of the Tiger is about as close as the Kilrathi would probably get to favorably comparing a member of another race with their own.
A few other points...
Even before the Tembler bomb, Blair did bring "Cleansing Fire", after a fashion. Just think of all the Kilrathi he killed before the end of the war. He was one of the top rated aces of the war, and he spent the vast majority of his career in backwater systems.
Refusing to acknowledge Blair's status as "Heart of the Tiger" would have been an even greater crime than identifying him as the one who might bring doom to the Kilrathi. Whether or not the Kilrathi gave him a nickname, the same string of events would occur. A true prophecy takes place whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.
Not acknowledging Blair's status would also indicate cowardice on the part of the Kilrathi - i.e. they were afraid of their own death, so they refused to recognize who he was.
Finally, even though they gave him the title, it doesn't mean that he was The One who would perform the act. Others may have held similar titles in the past, but if so, they proved to not be The One. And for the majority of his career, the title was a recognition of skill that was being wasted in unimportant systems. How could the one who would bring about the Prophecy do so from the far side of the Confederation?
 
I do not disagree with you, I just said that "The Heart of the Tiger" is different from "The one who has a heart of a Kilrathi".

Maybe both are for Blair but when they nicknamed him "The Heart of the Tiger" they didnt do that cause of the prophecy.So they didnt stupiditly named him like that as TC said;The guy who will bring chaos as the prophecy says.
 
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