Query about Vesuvius class carriers

Vesuvius should be '01', Mt. St. Helens should be '02'. The people doing the pre-rendered cutscenes mixed them up. It was actually caught during beta testing, but there wasn't time to go back and re-render the scenes (rendering an impressive 3D cutscene was a lot more time consuming in 1995).

(They'll later be CV-70 and 71, respectively.)
 
psych said:
Victory is a light carrier. And the Intrepid was a destroyer converted into a half-ass light carrier. Both of them do not qualify to be on the Fleet Carrier list.
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Now that just plain SUCKS!!!!! :mad:
 
Duke said:
In the WC4 novel it destroyed a Achilles-typ cruiser IIRC before Blair changed sides.
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No, they KILL a heavy cruiser, the very modern TCS Achilles, the one which blew their top off at the same time to kill a third of the crew (and, in doing so, destroyed most of their crew quarters and bridge).

p.167 has Maniac mentioning the Intrepid is the former TCS Delphi, 'one of the old Durango-class heavy destroyers'. On the other hand, they never mention what class the Achilles is, but only refer to her as a 'sister-ship to the Agamemnon', which may indeed be the 'class' ship for that heavy cruiser but that's only an inference based on how Blair thought of her as the Agamemnon's sister-ship.
 
I'd like to see an original Durgango destroyer (hate that name). Where would they fit in the Fleet Tactics list?
 
Edfilho said:
I'd like to see an original Durgango destroyer (hate that name). Where would they fit in the Fleet Tactics list?
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If you went by the WC4 novel, you'll hear Blair say "The Durangos were obsolete 10 years ago!" WC4 takes place in 2673, subtract 10 years, they were retired in 2663. So its probaly in service around WC1 or maybe before.

As for the "Achilles-type" warship . . . the TCS Achilles was ('was' being the operative word) a heavy cruiser. There were heavy cruisers in WC4 and WC3. The TCS Ajax, one of the Victory's escorts and a Tallahassee-class, is confirmed by the WC3 official guide to be a heavy cruiser. So it would logically make sense to assume that the Achilles and the Ajax are the same ship class, since you've already got a confirmed link and all. And you don't have to create a new fanboy design.
 
psych said:
As for the "Achilles-type" warship . . . the TCS Achilles was ('was' being the operative word) a heavy cruiser. There were heavy cruisers in WC4 and WC3. The TCS Ajax, one of the Victory's escorts and a Tallahassee-class, is confirmed by the WC3 official guide to be a heavy cruiser. So it would logically make sense to assume that the Achilles and the Ajax are the same ship class, since you've already got a confirmed link and all. And you don't have to create a new fanboy design.
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And, by WC4, two years later, the Tallahassee class is probably one of the newest classes still. The Ajax-Agamemnon-Achilles link is compelling with the Greek influences for all three names, and given the post-War economic crash the tagging of the Achilles as a Tallahasse is probably the safest (and most likely true) assumption.
 
I'm not really sure I buy that. The implication in the TPoF novel is that the Achilles and the Agamemnon are something special - not the generic cruisers that both Confed and the Border Worlds have plenty of.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
I'm not really sure I buy that. The implication in the TPoF novel is that the Achilles and the Agamemnon are something special - not the generic cruisers that both Confed and the Border Worlds have plenty of.
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There's not enough data in either case - in the game, they mention a frigate and her escorts attacked the Intrepid, which could be the Achilles and the Dornier. It's mentioned on p. 175 that the Achilles' fighters were what were responsible for all the damage topside, which means that the Achilles had to have some fighter capacity. We also know that the return attack from Intrepid destroyed her - either bombers or the Intrepid's own torpedo tubes.

Either way, she's dead, and the Agamemnon is the only other ship we know of linked to her, at least in Blair's mind. Whether this is the Tallahasee (which is possible) or some other class is left open to debate due to the ambiguity of the existing information. We know that she had at least 330 crew, that she carried fighters, and that she was one of the most powerful heavy cruisers in the fleet. Beyond that, everything else is speculation.
 
The connection in Blair's mind is what I'm talking about - the fact that her destruction brought about up the note that she and the Achilles were the "fleet's heaviest cruisers" (or somesuch) certainly implies to me that they were some especially noteworthy class of ships -- versus the Tallahassee class, which Blair had already blown up fighting for the other side (at Masa). The fact that a second, hitherto unreferenced, ship is mentioned seems to seal the deal... why reference the TCS Achilles specifically if the Tallahasee, the Coventry, the Dover and a mess of other ships are the same class?
 
They could be new versions of the tallahasee class maybe with upgraded systems or something possibly???

just a thought, although not really a good one
 
Eh, it's possible only in that there's no evidence to the contrary - there's no reason to believe or assume something like that (G)
 
yeah just figured I'd throw it out there....

but I guess the safest bet is to just assume it's a class we just don't know much about at all...
 
I'd actually love to see or hear something from the time period between wc1 games and wc2 games. There is a ten year gap there, y'know. I'd love to see a mod or a game that takes place during that time. There's a *lot* of untold history there, I'm sure. Lots of ship types that we missed seeing, lots of campaigns and stories. Lots of good stuff. Ten years worth of clean slate to play with (without being fanboyish, of course).
 
Dundradal said:
They could be new versions of the tallahasee class maybe with upgraded systems or something possibly???

just a thought, although not really a good one
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That's also my thought. Like the USS Long Beach was upgraded till the 90s (more than 30 years old) and was also the "fleet's heaviest cruisers".
By the way, where did the designation Tallahasee class come from and how old is this class?
I'm asking because it wouldn't make much sense that the best confed cruiser is older than the light cruiser TCS Manassas which was sold to the Landreich.

Haesslich said:
No, they KILL a heavy cruiser, the very modern TCS Achilles, the one which blew their top off at the same time to kill a third of the crew (and, in doing so, destroyed most of their crew quarters and bridge).
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That's why I wrote "Achilles typ" and not "Tallahasee class".
 
That's interesting. It's also interesting to note that on the Outrun Ella mission, if you let the Intrepid engage the Confed cruiser, it will destroy them.
 
To clarify guys, the quote is "most powerful heavy cruiser".

Also, the Manassas wasn't sold to the Landerich, it was destroyed in WC Academy. Four light cruisers (no name is told) were sold to them, along with three escort carriers.
 
ex-TCS Manassas was from the CIC Encyclopedia. Are this light cruiser the Savannah class on your Fleet Tactics page :confused:
 
By the way, where did the designation Tallahasee class come from and how old is this class?
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The name comes from the prologue to False Colors, and it refers to the cruisers seen in Wing Commander III and IV.

As for the age... it's a bit tricky, but I would say that the Tallahasee-class is roughly fifty years old, given the Wing Commander III novel quote:

That prompted nods around the table. Three destroyers, Coventry, Sheffield, and Ajax, had joined the carrier at Tamayo as escorts, but two of them were as old and outdated as Victory herself. Only Coventry carried her own half-wing of fighters. All in all, they weren't much when set against the Kilrathi force.
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The problem is that the WCIII novel mixes up which escorts are cruisers and which are destroyers (it calls the Coventry both a cruiser and a destroyer at points). That said, this certainly seems to make clear that the Ajax (which was the Tallahassee) was as old as the Victory.
 
Vesuvius class carriers wasent that the big big carrier that tolwyn intecuced in wc4, whats the point with the big ships like the heavy crousiers and drougnouth (arg my spelling) they are very weak against small figthers
 
Fighters are short-range ships - they need a carrier to use as their base... the Vesuvius-class was a heavy carrier capable of carrying 400 fighters.
 
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