Hey Bandit (LOAF)

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Concordia

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Since you're online, I felt I'd bounce a question off you.

The battle of Vukar Tag...

You mentioned what ships were in it... can you do it again?

I also need to know what classes of ships these are.

What happened actually during the battle? Any guesses?

-Concordia
200 posts, I feel like a rock-star!
 
Howdy,
The 'online' thing isn't particularly accurate -- since it still lists you there for something like ten minutes after your last activity. The best way to catch me is via AIM (BanditLOAF) or on #WingNut.

As for 'Battle of Vukar Tag' -- are you talking about the amphibious assault or Operation Backlash?

The initial assault involved two first generation CVEs, the Tarawa and the Sevastopol... and then nine Marine transports (the only one named is the Bangor).

Operation Backlash involved the Gettysburg (Waterloo-class), Concordia (Confederation-class), Trafalgar (Jutland-class) and Wolfhound (Bengal-class) and over seventy other capital ships.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Howdy,
The 'online' thing isn't particularly accurate -- since it still lists you there for something like ten minutes after your last activity. The best way to catch me is via AIM (BanditLOAF) or on #WingNut.

As for 'Battle of Vukar Tag' -- are you talking about the amphibious assault or Operation Backlash?

The initial assault involved two first generation CVEs, the Tarawa and the Sevastopol... and then nine Marine transports (the only one named is the Bangor).

Operation Backlash involved the Gettysburg (Waterloo-class), Concordia (Confederation-class), Trafalgar (Jutland-class) and Wolfhound (Bengal-class) and over seventy other capital ships.
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How many ships are destroyed (Confed) during Backlash?

-Concordia
 
Concordia said:
How many ships are destroyed (Confed) during Backlash?

-Concordia
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The Trafalgar was destroyed, and the Gettysburg was put into drydock for a year after the fact. They also lost seven escort craft, though they're unclear as to whether this means cruisers or destroyers, and 96 pilots were KIA. In other words, 10% losses in the escorts, 2 out of four carriers were taken out of battle either due to destruction or damage, in return for four enemy carriers, 20 escorts, and a dozen transports which would've included four Imperial Guard legions. All of them blooded, noble types, for the most part.
 
Haesslich said:
The Trafalgar was destroyed, and the Gettysburg was put into drydock for a year after the fact. They also lost seven escort craft, though they're unclear as to whether this means cruisers or destroyers, and 96 pilots were KIA. In other words, 10% losses in the escorts, 2 out of four carriers were taken out of battle either due to destruction or damage, in return for four enemy carriers, 20 escorts, and a dozen transports which would've included four Imperial Guard legions. All of them blooded, noble types, for the most part.
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It was five Kilrathi carriers destroyed, and another severely damaged.
 
psych said:
It was five Kilrathi carriers destroyed, and another severely damaged.
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Checking End Run. Page 300 confirms it: three carriers went after the Tarawa, while six went on. Next time I check the book first. :p
 
Haesslich said:
Checking End Run. Page 300 confirms it: three carriers went after the Tarawa, while six went on. Next time I check the book first. :p
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Three went after the Tarawa while *seven* went on (total of ten). Of the seven at Vukar, five were destroyed, one was crippled and the seventh survived.
 
Why did admiral Bainbridge consider the Gettysburg a fleet carrier, I mean it can't be the only Waterloo in the area? Are the class rare or something?
 
Worthwhile question -- I don't think there's a definitive answer yet. They certainly seem to be considerably more valuable than your average cruiser -- they carry as many fighters as a light carrier coupled with some very heavy offensive weapons. We see similar treatment of a Waterloo-class ship in WC2, where the Agincourt is said to be the lynchpin in the plans to attack K'tithrak Mang...
 
Youre right LOAF, the Waterloo carries as much fighters as the ranger class and has enough weapornry to take on a fraltha.
 
I was thinking of writing a story which specifically focuses on Operation Backlash.

Since I don't know exactly what the Trafalgar (Jutland-class) would look like or specs on it, I could use Bandit's help. I assume these landing shuttles are about the same size as the Broadsword. I'm guessing a carrier that could carry 60-broadsword sized craft and an extra five since carriers often carry five extra shuttles anyway, would be sufficient size for a carrier of this description. I have a feeling that it should carry suffient armament to be able to put up a decent fight. My take on it is like a miniature Bengal carrying only Marine Shuttles and a few fighters (like Epee's and stuff, or even a few small jump-capable fighters.) Length is anyone's guess. It could be long and thin, short and fat, or some moderate figure.

As for the other 70-ships... 70 other ships... Confed ships only? Or does that include the sum of ALL ships participating excluding the Carriers?

Since the Waterloo was considered a mainstream Cruiser for the era, it makes no sense to treat it as a fleet-carrier. Maybe a light-carrier, but definetly not a fleet-carrier. Maybe Forstchen or whoever was making the game, forgot the Gettysburg was a Cruiser.

I would rather change the Gettysburg to the TCS-Confederation. Chances are it was around in 2667, and it was definetly a fleet carrier. As for designation, CVS-14, or CVS-64, are all appropriate. While CVS-14 is appropriate, it could just be a bogus-number, or another Confederation class carrier other than the TCS-Confederation. Keep in mind WC2 was in 2665 and by then there were 5 Confederation-Class Carriers in service... two probably were destroyed through one way or another (PTC failures most likely).

-ConcordiaCVS65
 
This is a related question....From WC1 the TCS Austin, what class was it, I can't quite remember but I don't think it was a carrier, or at least a Concordia or a Bengal, I don't recall if you ever meet in or not, but I have a suspiscion that it wasn't a real carrier either.
 
Thanks Sly, that is where Doomsday and Jazz came from right, and I kind of remember something about Angel going over there to take over thier wing, but that might be from the Freedom Flight Novel.

Apologizing for my ignorance, don't want to step on the toes of my betters lol
 
Sylvester said:
the TCS Austin, which we never see, is a Gettysburg Class Heavy Cruiser that has about 30 fighters.
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Actually, if you fly fast enough, you can catch a glimpse of it in one mission right before it jumps out. Due to the lack of a proper model, the game renders it as an Exeter.
 
That is why I remember it as an Exeter!! When I first read Freedom Flight and it mentioned that, I was kinda suprised. Ah the wonders of programming in 90, the playability is great, more for nostalgia I think though.
 
Because this is in the General WC Chat, I'll try to keep this as civil as possible.

The Trafalgar was a Jutland-class CVA. CVA for Attack Carrier. It is counted as one of the Confed's fleet carriers. There's a reason why it's a fleet carrier, and it's not to carry troopships. As for what it might look like, leave that to me. For a few months, me and another person on the CIC Forum have been working on concept art, a 3-d model complete with textures, and technical specifications of what the Jutland-class CVA might look like and function as. Even though it is not canon, I think it is a good project that will fill in the gaps of the WC universe rather then conflict it.

And I have answers for the questions I know will be asked after I post this. Here they are: No Concordia, the concept art and technical specifications we have so far does not go in-sync with your "take" as you call it. No Concordia, I won't tell you exactly what we have done so far. No Concordia, I don't know the exact date when it'll be completed, but it is going along nicely. And no Concordia, you can't help us out so don't bother giving us your ideas.
 
psych said:
Because this is in the General WC Chat, I'll try to keep this as civil as possible.

The Trafalgar was a Jutland-class CVA. CVA for Attack Carrier. It is counted as one of the Confed's fleet carriers. There's a reason why it's a fleet carrier, and it's not to carry troopships. As for what it might look like, leave that to me. For a few months, me and another person on the CIC Forum have been working on concept art, a 3-d model complete with textures, and technical specifications of what the Jutland-class CVA might look like and function as. Even though it is not canon, I think it is a good project that will fill in the gaps of the WC universe rather then conflict it.
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'Attack Carrier' would be a heavier class than Strike Carrier, non? About as fast, heavily armed, designed to punch through enemy resistance to deliver its bombers and strike craft to precision targets?

And man, now that Arnie's the Gubernator, you really should take a photo of him to use in your avatar. :D
 
psych said:
Because this is in the General WC Chat, I'll try to keep this as civil as possible.

The Trafalgar was a Jutland-class CVA. CVA for Attack Carrier. It is counted as one of the Confed's fleet carriers. There's a reason why it's a fleet carrier, and it's not to carry troopships. As for what it might look like, leave that to me. For a few months, me and another person on the CIC Forum have been working on concept art, a 3-d model complete with textures, and technical specifications of what the Jutland-class CVA might look like and function as. Even though it is not canon, I think it is a good project that will fill in the gaps of the WC universe rather then conflict it.

And I have answers for the questions I know will be asked after I post this. Here they are: No Concordia, the concept art and technical specifications we have so far does not go in-sync with your "take" as you call it. No Concordia, I won't tell you exactly what we have done so far. No Concordia, I don't know the exact date when it'll be completed, but it is going along nicely. And no Concordia, you can't help us out so don't bother giving us your ideas.
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The only reason I would ask you what it looks like and what it's specs are would be to describe it in the story.

-Concordia
 
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