FAB Ranks

Delance

Victory, you say?
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For those interested in Air Force rank structure, here's the FAB ranks and their equivalent ranks in the RAF:

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Air Marshall Badge Rules.

Marechal-do-Ar (Mar.-do-Ar)
Marshal of the RAF (MRAF)

Tenente-Brigadeiro (Ten.-Brig.)
Air Chief Marshal (ACM)

Major-Brigadeiro (Maj.-Brig.)
Air Marshal (AM)

Brigadeiro (Brig.)
Air Vice Marshal (AVM)
Superior Officers

Coronel (Cel.)
Group Captain (Gp. Capt.)

Tenente-Coronel (Ten.-Cel.)
Wing Commander (Wg. Cdr.)

Major (Maj.)
Squadron Leader (Sqn. Ldr.)
Intermediate Officers

Capitão (Cap.)
Flight Lieutnant (Flt. Lt.)
Subaltern Officers

1º Tenente (1º Ten.)
Flying Officer (Fg. Off.)

2º Tenente (2º Ten.)
Pilot Officer (Plt. Off.)

Aspirante (Asp.)
Acting Pilot Officer (A/Plt. Off.)
 
No :( Stupid populist president halted the process saying that "it is not a necessary expense right now". That was stupid because the Airforce had been saving that money for years and now they can´t use it and the money will not be used for other purposes.


Besides, the contract would involve a full technology transfer so that the deal would be very good.
 
I hope they don't go with the Mirage, it's a craft that was obsolete in 70's. Delta wing. Oh, please. Argentineans used Mirages on the Falklands/Malvinas war and got their ass kicked by subsonic Sea Harriers.

I hope they go with the Su-35. Avibras, a Brazilian company, has a deal with the Ukrainians to transfer technology as well. And it's a kick-ass super fighter, as good as the F-15 or the F-18, better than anything else in the skies.

At least, that's what I heard from air force officers. :)

Starkey: agree in the "populist" part. But I think he is not (perhaps unfortunately) as stupid as his propaganda team suggests.
 
No, Argentinians planes weren´t kicked because of the Harrier in the Falkland Wars, just because of the Sidewinder and Sea Cat,Sea Dart...
OTOH Argentina Air Force and Marine kicked some GB Navy ass, just ask.
 
Originally posted by Ghost
No, Argentinians planes weren´t kicked because of the Harrier in the Falkland Wars, just because of the Sidewinder and Sea Cat,Sea Dart...
OTOH Argentina Air Force and Marine kicked some GB Navy ass, just ask.

Yeah, they neutralized the HMS Sheffield. Actually, it was a pretty daring move.

I didn't say the planes were kicked because of the Sea Harrier. The Sea Harrier isn't a great dogfighter to begin with, and that's the point. The Mirages were kicked because they suck. If they can't face a Sea Harrier, can you imagine what an actually GOOD fighter could do to them? Even the "updated" version of the outdated delta-wing jet? Now I don’t think Sea Harriers would be so successful against some Su-35.

Also, I'd like to ask you something: Didn't the 25 de Mayo had french Super Etandards as a fighter complement? They had to fly off land bases, since the carrier wasn't even risked into the combat zone, right?
 
Actually they did more than eliminate the Sheffield.

Yeah, the Super Etendard and Skyhawk were the 25 de MAyo fighter complement, when the Carrier was called to port, those fighters were used from land bases.
The Super Etendard were used only because they carried the Air-to-Sea Excocet, Argentina had only 3 or 4 of them.
the A4 and Mirage were only used to strike enemies frigates, transports and some other ships, carrying only 250-500 kg. bombs, half of them didn´t exploted, not in Air superiority or some other task.
 
Originally posted by Ghost
Actually they did more than eliminate the Sheffield.

Yes, but that was the more noticeable victory. Payback for the Belgrano. But still, the Argentinean navy didn't leave port after those battles.


Yeah, the Super Etendard and Skyhawk were the 25 de MAyo fighter complement, when the Carrier was called to port, those fighters were used from land bases.
The Super Etendard were used only because they carried the Air-to-Sea Excocet, Argentina had only 3 or 4 of them.

3 or 4 Excocet? 2 of them were fired on he Sheffield alone (one missed, one hit). Why go to war with 4 naval ASMs?


the A4 and Mirage were only used to strike enemies frigates, transports and some other ships, carrying only 250-500 kg. bombs, half of them didn´t exploted, not in Air superiority or some other task.

Half the bombs didn't explode?

Also, didn't any Mirage were used as Air Superiority? All the craft involved, the Sea Harrier, Skyhawk, Mirage and Super Etendard, are fighter-bombers, in the sense they can be used in both jobs. Actually, I think the FAB uses the Mirage III as interceptors. I like the F-5E Tiger more, anyway.
 
France was supposed to sell us like 15-20 Exocet...that was before the war, the fucking drunken general didn´t want to wait 2 or 3 months more to begin the war.


1 Exocet was used with the Sheffield, another with the Atlantic Conveyor (i think), and another with the Invincible (that is what some people say,i´m not so sure)

The problem with most of the bombs that didn´t explode was that planes released them from such a low altitude (10mts above the sea) that most of the bombs didn´t had time to be *armed* and they didn´t explode.

Argentina didn´t had any Air-to-Air missiles, just cannons and some rockets (used in Air-to-Land attacks by Pucaras), so the Harrier with those Sidewinders had an easy time against the Mirages and A4s


Actually we have plenty of A4-AR (stupid new version only for Argentina) with F-16 avionics (minus the AG-XX radar updated)and Fly-by-wire,some Mirages and the IA-53 Pampero
 
Originally posted by Ghost
France was supposed to sell us like 15-20 Exocet...that was before the war, the fucking drunken general didn´t want to wait 2 or 3 months more to begin the war.

Not the wisest choice.


1 Exocet was used with the Sheffield, another with the Atlantic Conveyor (i think), and another with the Invincible (that is what some people say,i´m not so sure)

Some sources claim that 2 missiles were fired on the Sheffield. Not that it's important or anything.

Argentina didn´t had any Air-to-Air missiles, just cannons and some rockets (used in Air-to-Land attacks by Pucaras), so the Harrier with those Sidewinders had an easy time against the Mirages and A4s

Seriously? That sucks. You can't depend solely on guns for air superiority.

Fortunately Brazil builds it's own IR rear-aspect missiles, a sidewinder-like named Piranha. That's from the 80's, I'm not sure if better ones are built now.

What I do know is that missiles are essential to modern naval warfare. I have a friend in the navy and he says it's all about how many missiles you have stocked up before the war takes place. And that we don't have nearly enough.

Actually we have plenty of A4-AR (stupid new version only for Argentina) with F-16 avionics (minus the AG-XX radar updated)and Fly-by-wire,some Mirages and the IA-53 Pampero

A4s and Mirages sucks serious ass. Just the other day, one of the Brazilian Mirages crashed. The pilot survived, but now we have only 6 Mirages working.

Brazil seriously needs some Su-35.
 
The fuckers started the war, because the people was claiming for free elections.

The A4-AR is used only against land targets....and the Mirages....they collect dust, i think.

hehe...youe friend Lula Da Silva won´t buy the SU-35 even if they cost 1 U$S.
 
I think that many of you do not know that the Mirage is not the old Mirage III anymore... the Mirage 2000-5 is one of the best multirole fighter in the world... and Delta Wing is not obsolete...
 
Yeah, but i think that Peru only have those 2000s in South America.
Alas, i forgot, we have/had some Kfirs too.
 
Originally posted by NoRemorse
I think that many of you do not know that the Mirage is not the old Mirage III anymore... the Mirage 2000-5 is one of the best multirole fighter in the world... and Delta Wing is not obsolete...

Not surprisingly, you’re from France. Isn’t France actually about to remove from duty the very fighters they plan to sell to us?

Please take no offense, but the Mirage 2000 sucks. Hey, if you think it’s good, fill your entire air force with them. But, as a Brazilian, I’d rather have the Su-35 or even the SAAB fighter. The F-16 is a very bad choice, since the Americans won’t sell us all the good stuff that it can have. Missiles, for example, they will keep with them and only send when we need – if they think it’s OK for us to use them. Stupid choice. If the Americans even wouldn’t sell us the 20mm Vulcan Cannon for the AMX (the Brazilian version have to use 2 30mm European cannons) before, it’s unlikely they will be selling us high-tech stuff. Especially now that the "socialists" are in power here, and the ruling “workers party” just loves communist dictators and is historically (and currently) bent on raging anti-americanism. Well, you never now, American decisions regarding that never made much sense anyway.

The Mirage is also a bad choice, because it’s a bad fighter. It’s irrelevant that the French will transfer useless obsolete technology to us. Delta wing was obsolete in the 60’s, perhaps even in the 50’s.

We don’t need bombers, we can have as much AMX bombers as we want. If we really need obsolete bombers, we can build Xavantes. What we need air superiority fighters and interceptors. Not that the Su-35 isn’t an excellent fighter-bomber.

The F-15 is a very good multi-role fighter. So is the F-18, but the US won’t sell those, and they would be too expensive anyway. So, the Su-35 is, by far, the best choice.

Again, it’s nothing personal, but it’s my country we’re talking about, and I don’t want it to spend 700 million on a bad plane just so the French won’t be offended.

hehe...youe friend Lula Da Silva won´t buy the SU-35 even if they cost 1 U$S.

No he won't. Do you know why? Seriously? Our media suck up to him like Pravda to Stalin, so I have no idea why he simply won't buy the best fighter.

Originally posted by Ghost
Yeah, but i think that Peru only have those 2000s in South America.
Alas, i forgot, we have/had some Kfirs too.

And Venezuela has F-16s. Chaves and his wannabe revolutionaries with F-16s. Really ironic, isn't it? Like Komeini and Iran with F-14s.
 
Strange thing - we in Poland have post communist goverment, post communist president, and US is selling us latest version of F-16 with most modern weapons systems (AIM 120 AMRAAM, AIM 9X Sidewinder - as soon as it is available, JSOW, JDAM, GBU Paveway II and III). Of course we are now part of NATO and pro american but isn`t it an irony of history?
 
Venezuela with F-16?
They bought them in the early 90s?
strange...
I remember the media-press-problem in the region when Chile wanted to buy the F-16.
USA doesn´t want to sell high-tech weapons parts to South American as i said some posts below the A4-AR´s Radar (is like the F-16 one) was stripped down :(
Nor they wanted to sell us Mavericks or some cool GBU bombs.
 
Originally posted by Dominator
Strange thing - we in Poland have post communist goverment, post communist president, and US is selling us latest version of F-16 with most modern weapons systems (AIM 120 AMRAAM, AIM 9X Sidewinder - as soon as it is available, JSOW, JDAM, GBU Paveway II and III). Of course we are now part of NATO and pro american but isn`t it an irony of history?

Well, not so much. For the US, Poland was basically occupied by the CCCP, and liberated from the clutches of communism once the empire collapsed in the early 90's. Poland is part of the free world, and an ally. :)

Besides, the F-16 is a second rate fighter.

Originally posted by Ghost
Venezuela with F-16?
They bought them in the early 90s?
strange...
I remember the media-press-problem in the region when Chile wanted to buy the F-16.
USA doesn´t want to sell high-tech weapons parts to South American as i said some posts below the A4-AR´s Radar (is like the F-16 one) was stripped down :(
Nor they wanted to sell us Mavericks or some cool GBU bombs.

Hey!! Answer my last question about the Su-35!

Yes, Venezuela has F-16s.

http://www.f-16.net/reference/users/f16_ve.html

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/f016.html#RTFToC34

Perhaps you didn't read about it because Chile has a very large border with Argentina, and Venezuela is far away.
 
Well, yeah could be, i´m more concerned for Chile than Venezuela ;)

Ahh...your question, being the populist that he is, is more concerned for the poor people, the *Sin Tierra* movement and some other things, that is what we hear here.
And as a matter of fact (or sight) i don´t see any upcoming war in South America (or between any major south american power)
 
Delance, I'd like to get the sources you use to tell me that the M2000-5 (well we only sell M2000-9) sucks... I really want to know them...
And according to you, our Rafales are obsolete too... well, I do not know what to say about that, cause this is such a stupid point of view... you should get some info before telling everyone french fighters are bad...

two more things:
- the Mirage 2000-5 is a brand new fighter
- your way of thinking is funny... you say that the delta wing is obsolete, and you'd like your country to buy JAS-39 Grippen :rolleyes:
 
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