sorry but that is BS, because for instance the F-16 and the F-22 are significantly more manuverable than any non-fly-by-wire craft because they are inherantly unstable and the fly be wire allows them to normally have some stability, but a controled amount of instability which is what manuberability is. As such they can fly circles around other aircraft and are therefore superior craft.
Personally I think these two posts were sheer crap.
Ok, this is complete bullshit
you 2 should learn some manners
As for the Tucanos, I'm sure you can do impressive things in them and all, but the paces you can put 6 F-14s are just as if not more impressive.
You cant really say anything about them if you never saw (or even knew they existed). You probably never ever heard of the Tucano anyway
Our aircraft are NOT puppets that you spit a voice command out to and it moves as you request. The fly-by-wire systems compensate for the inumerable flight surfaces that have to be coordinated just to keep the plane on a straight path and a level altitude. Once it manages to accomplish that, the difficulties of flying that plane are now EQUIVALENT, not easier than, any other aircraft. Just because we have warning systems when a pilot is doing something that may potentially put the craft in danger means absolutely nothing. It's the pilot's duty to correct. I'd have to say overall that flying state of the art US equipment is a far cry from a cakewalk.
The discussion is not about if an aircraft can be flown without fly-by-wire, but how technology slowly makes pilots less skilled due to the lesser need to control the aircraft and such
If you say warning systems that tell the pilot if he is in danger is nothing, you never piloted an aircraft, know anyone that did, or you simply is desperetly looking for excuses
many pilots have already crashed during landing for stall or simply cause they were too fast or on the wrong approach vector. Wont even mention the ones that crashed over the ocean or came out of a cloud flying upside down not sure of what was up and what was down
They were highly impressive and I doubt that man for man, you send either of the two flight groups mentioned above against any of the Blue Angels, it won't be our F-14s in Navy that come limping out of that one...
Just more misguided, excessive american pride. learn that you are not the best in everthing. You might find out real life is quite more exciting when you dont think yourself supperior to everyone else
The Blue Angels are not a special group (well kinda) of pilots. The Blue Angels are rotated from combat units all around the world. If you see the Angels in 1995, you are not seeing the same pilots as you saw in 1994. The same goes for 96, 97, so on...
Neither are most of the Smoke Squad pilots. Other than a few of the top pilots, the others change very often. It cant change as much for a simple fact I mentioned before: brazil has in fighter aircraft the same number of F15Cs USA has. Dont need to tell you that means usa has quite a lot more pilots and squadrons then Brazil, hence, its possible to exchange pilots, and USA obviously has a larger number of above average pilots
These systems make US aircraft safer and in some cases more capable in the extreme realms, but it's still primarily about the pilot. You make it sound as if any one of us could step into an F-16 and fly it.
Yeah, it makes it sound like that if you want to argue. What I said 10 times and will repeat again is that fly-by-wire makes it easier to be flown, needing less piloting skill comparetivelly to pilots who always pilot (and trained on) aicraft without that system. Would be stupid to say anyone could get in a F16 and pilot it if you had absolutelly no training on aircraft piloting.
Even though there are some trekies that can even pilot the enterprise if they landed on their backyard and the damn thing doesnt even exist
In addition, U.S. pilots receive more training in close-in and gun combat than you seem to give them credit for. If we only used missiles all the time, why would U.S. pilots log thousands of hours performing simulated close-in dogfights?
Its part of the training. If they were not trained, USA pilot training system would have being stupid and pointless. And once again, I didnt say they simply push a button and thats over for everything, but that most of the problems are resolved before even geting close, or being detected, or even using an aircraft at all.
If they train? of course. If they use it that much now with the technology in the USAF? nah. Skills deteriorate if you dont use them, not to mention theory and practice are 2 different things. Learning a lot in a sim is not the same as using it in the real thing. A Dogfight is quite intense and can be quite scary for someone who is used to blow enemies from the distance or drop bombs on cities and camps
