Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
There are still enough Kilrathi waging war against Confed. Melek didn't speak for all the Kilrathi apparently.
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Since when are the Kilrathi defeated? (I know what answer I'll get...) <g>
Originally posted by Raptor
Arrrg! I'm sorry, My Liege. I have been away from the Empire too long, and all these humans I have to spend my days with have corrupted my thinking. I meant to say that they've *temporarily* defeated us.
Best, Raptor
Originally posted by Penguin
Like one dreadnought and whatever other crap you Kilrathi could muster could stand up to the TCN. Face it, you lost. Now move on.
Originally posted by SeetherAce I did read the ICIS manual. The Nephilem is their CODE NAME. C-O-D-E N-A-M-E. The Nephilem are actually giants mentioned in the Bible; the "ancient Terran biblical texts" Zero mentioned have nothing to do with Wing Commander. The ICIS guide does mention the Mantu. About 250 years before the Kilrathi war, a race of paranoid alien travelers entered Kilrathi space. These were the Mantu. The Kilrathi brutally attacked the Mantu, who fought back. The Kilrathi managed to repel the Mantu. The Kilrathi then feared the Mantu's return, and if you read The Heart of the Tiger novelization, in the prologue, Thrakath and the Emperor are planning to wipe out the Terrans so the Kilrathi can prepare for the invasion of their ancient foe. Read it.
Originally posted by Zor Prime we have hourly meetings.
They are if they act like pirates.Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Did you read False Colors? Kilrathi warlords owning a dreanought are more than mere pirates IMHO.
Originally posted by Zor Prime
I DO!!!!! I called the Orkin Man and he saved humanity!
Originally posted by junior
Here's a theory that might explain it...
Granted, there are probably better ones out there, including some posted to this same board in the past.
Nonetheless...
The Nephilim did indeed visit Kilrah in the distant past. What they found was a highly contentious race that, after profiling, was decided would never pose a threat to the Nephilim (due to longstanding theories on the superiority of Nephilim culture over certain other culture types).
The Nephilim decide to take advantage of this. They encouraged Kilrathi aggressiveness in order to create a highly militaristic state (there are more than likely no significant technologically advanced cultures in the region at the time). Any possible competition for the Nephilim that emerges in the area will eventually have to deal with the Kilrathi, and given the nature of the Kilrathi, the destruction of Kilrah (a tectonically unstable planet) is a very effective way to deal with them. Any race that can destroy a planet is a potential rival to the Nephilim, and the Nephilim will want to be aware of any races in the area that might match their power so that the rivals can be dealt with. They leave the prophecy with the Kilrathi to encourage the Kilrathi to cause problems with the locals (since the prophecy mentions good things happening if the Kilrathi defeat all of their enemies), and leave.
Several millenia later, a Col. Christopher Blair, from the Terran Confederation Navy, and one of the few individuals that even the Kilrathi have a healthy respect for, drops a bomb on Kilrah that destroys the planet. Sensors buried far beneath the planet are activated in the death throes of Kilrah, and send a message to the Nephilim. They receive the message, realize a potential rival is at hand, and take steps to deal with this threat.
Originally posted by Raptor
I wouldn't go that far, actually. Yes, Tolwyn was right when he said "We will eventually face another alien threat", but only in the same way that anyone who says "We will eventually fight another war" or "We'll have a sharemarket crash" is right when the said event happens at *some* time in the future. Given enough time, that kind of general prediction will *always* be fullfilled. By that very low standard of what it takes to be right, just about every doomsayer would be right, because their predictions *will* come true at some point in the future.
Tolwyn got far more wrong than he did he right. Even leaving aside the question of his methords (which seeing as they included genocide and dictatorship are hardly a minor issue), he totally mispredicted what humanity would need to do to win the next war. He thought that we would have to have engineer ourselves into the Master Race. He thought an elected government in the hand of civilians (a democracy, in other worlds) was doomed to be destroyed. He thought we would have to keep ourselves in a constant state of war to win against the next alien threat. We didn't do *any* of that, and we handed the Nephilim their chitinous backsides. We were a peacefull, law abiding nation that threw the Nephilim back not just once but twice, each time using but a fraction of our forces. That fact that we won so convincingly is the proof that Tolwyn wasn't right. A nation don't need to be a warmongering bully that opresses its neighbours and its own people to win its wars.
Originally posted by junior
I'll also be the first to admit that setting the Kilrathi up as is done requires a MASSIVE ego on the part of the 'Star Gods' (i.e. that the Kilrathi will never be able to defeat the Star Gods), but the problem is, that's exactly what we're looking at. The old Kilrathi prophecy basically reads 'Conquer or die.' Either the Prophecy was corrupted over the millenia, or the Star Gods effectively set the Kilrathi up on a collision course with the Star Gods' own society at some unknown point in the future.
The Nephilim were banished to an alternate dimension (like the Antarians in MOO2), and the seal was the planet Kilrah itself. If this were the case, however, I'd have expected the Star Gods to have made the Prophecy more along the lines of 'protect the planet at all costs' without mentioning all the parts about fighting.
The Nephilim are like the Shivans from Freespace, and the Star Gods (who were dying out), intended that the Kilrathi might eventually destroy the Nephilim. They also knew that something about Kilrah specifically would attract the attention of the Nephilim if the planet itself were to be destroyed (this theory actually sounds rather workable...).
Originally posted by Bob McDob
"Multiple exclamation points, a sure sign of a diseased mind".
So your warlords are full of hatred and are fighting one another. Hmm sounds like this blood feuds going to go on forever, knowing you Kilrathi...Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
One dreadnought is a force to reckon and there are others. That was only one warlord, there are plenty of others who can still muster a force and are full of hatred,. Once the petty fightng among the Kilrathi has ended the Kilrathi will rise again.
Raptor: Good, you are excused for this time. Next time you spoil the honour of the Kilrathi it'll be Zu'kara.
Which Evangelion episode?Originally posted by Bob McDob
Heh...this reminds me of an Evangelion fic I read once. Gendo is talking with NERV about the return of the Angels, and they start agrueing about what Angels are, while Gendo is screaming "THEY'RE JUST COOL CODENAMES!!!! AAAAAAH!!!!!
Originally posted by Zor Prime
that explains alot then!!!!
Originally posted by dacis2
Long theory about Kilrathi dreadnoughts - snipped by M.-H.
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Penguin: Maybe the fighting betweeen each Warlord will take some time but once one side has won supremacy a new emperor will be chosen. That's how it works and always worked for the Kilrathi.
Originally posted by Penguin
Which Evangelion episode?
Originally posted by Penguin
Don't you think that there's something wrong with that approach? Needlessly slaughtering vast hordes of your species just to pick a leader. And while you're busy slaughtering each other your technological progression will be much slower than Confeds. Not to mention all the resources you'll needlessly consume against each other. Face it, your ways are primitive and ultimately self defeating.