Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
There are still enough Kilrathi waging war against Confed. Melek didn't speak for all the Kilrathi apparently.
Do you think Tolwyn was right?
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Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
Did you read False Colors? Kilrathi warlords owning a dreanought are more than mere pirates IMHO. 
Actually...
The way they said it the dreadnaught and its escort fleet coulda conquerred Confed so easily.
What I don't get, they try to make it sound hard to kill a dreadnaught in the book... WHY!?
I hate the games fighter vs cap ship ratios. They are VERY screwed up. In False colors 1 shot hit a cloaked strakha (from a cap ship) and it blew up, granted cloaking drains power, but in the game, it'd take about 5 hits if you were flying the strakha. In the book Corvette vs Excalibur, corvette kicks butt, in the game, the corvette isn't a challange, even on nightmare... Ok on nightmare it's a challange, but still, that ruins it for me. A single fighter shouldn't be able to kill a cap ship by itself unless it is a transport, otherwise it should have an escort carrier, or like in the books like 30 pilots on their wing all going after that cap ship. Its a wonder why, in the game, anyone bought cap ships, especially when a small uncostly arrow could take it out! (dreadnaught included)
Ben
The way they said it the dreadnaught and its escort fleet coulda conquerred Confed so easily.
What I don't get, they try to make it sound hard to kill a dreadnaught in the book... WHY!?
I hate the games fighter vs cap ship ratios. They are VERY screwed up. In False colors 1 shot hit a cloaked strakha (from a cap ship) and it blew up, granted cloaking drains power, but in the game, it'd take about 5 hits if you were flying the strakha. In the book Corvette vs Excalibur, corvette kicks butt, in the game, the corvette isn't a challange, even on nightmare... Ok on nightmare it's a challange, but still, that ruins it for me. A single fighter shouldn't be able to kill a cap ship by itself unless it is a transport, otherwise it should have an escort carrier, or like in the books like 30 pilots on their wing all going after that cap ship. Its a wonder why, in the game, anyone bought cap ships, especially when a small uncostly arrow could take it out! (dreadnaught included)
Ben
Originally posted by Raptor
Arrrg! I'm sorry, My Liege. I have been away from the Empire too long, and all these humans I have to spend my days with have corrupted my thinking. I meant to say that they've *temporarily* defeated us.
Best, Raptor
Actually, you may note in false colors, the Kilrathi admitted their defeat... The ones on the planet I mean/ Not only them, Meck's people too, so what, do you follow ragnark?
Ben
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
One dreadnought is a force to reckon and there are others. That was only one warlord, there are plenty of others who can still muster a force and are full of hatred,. Once the petty fightng among the Kilrathi has ended the Kilrathi will rise again.
Raptor: Good, you are excused for this time. Next time you spoil the honour of the Kilrathi it'll be Zu'kara.
I swear....
The dreadnoughts are not so tough, if you read the WCIII tech manual, the ****ing deradnought had 8000dp of shielding and 12000dp of armour not counting the structral integrity, thus a Longbow with 8 torps (2000dp each)would hit off its shields and some of its armour, lets say this is a major fighter op thus 8 longbows all with torpedoes+dumbfires instead of guided missiles
16+ hellcats as escort, 7 arrowIVs as scout and 4 thunderbolts for turret hunting. this is a lot of craft but a single concordia class carrier can carry this load as well as enough to launch in a point defence situation. The TCN also has dreadnoughts of inferior quality to the Kilrathi these were left at sol station for defence to the homeworld,lotsa cruisers and destroyers. IF it were fair, the cruisers and destroyers would have launched wave after wave of capmiss at the dreadnought and its support fleet
in closing i would like to tell you that a dreadnought is not so fearsome as a small fleet (4 cruisers,8 destroyers 10 frigates) if they all had capmiss missiles.
Rear Admiral (Lower Half) David Leong
United Federation of Planets
The dreadnoughts are not so tough, if you read the WCIII tech manual, the ****ing deradnought had 8000dp of shielding and 12000dp of armour not counting the structral integrity, thus a Longbow with 8 torps (2000dp each)would hit off its shields and some of its armour, lets say this is a major fighter op thus 8 longbows all with torpedoes+dumbfires instead of guided missiles
16+ hellcats as escort, 7 arrowIVs as scout and 4 thunderbolts for turret hunting. this is a lot of craft but a single concordia class carrier can carry this load as well as enough to launch in a point defence situation. The TCN also has dreadnoughts of inferior quality to the Kilrathi these were left at sol station for defence to the homeworld,lotsa cruisers and destroyers. IF it were fair, the cruisers and destroyers would have launched wave after wave of capmiss at the dreadnought and its support fleet
in closing i would like to tell you that a dreadnought is not so fearsome as a small fleet (4 cruisers,8 destroyers 10 frigates) if they all had capmiss missiles.
Rear Admiral (Lower Half) David Leong
United Federation of Planets
Bob McDob
Better Health Through Less Flavor
Originally posted by SeetherAce I did read the ICIS manual. The Nephilem is their CODE NAME. C-O-D-E N-A-M-E. The Nephilem are actually giants mentioned in the Bible; the "ancient Terran biblical texts" Zero mentioned have nothing to do with Wing Commander. The ICIS guide does mention the Mantu. About 250 years before the Kilrathi war, a race of paranoid alien travelers entered Kilrathi space. These were the Mantu. The Kilrathi brutally attacked the Mantu, who fought back. The Kilrathi managed to repel the Mantu. The Kilrathi then feared the Mantu's return, and if you read The Heart of the Tiger novelization, in the prologue, Thrakath and the Emperor are planning to wipe out the Terrans so the Kilrathi can prepare for the invasion of their ancient foe. Read it.
Heh...this reminds me of an Evangelion fic I read once. Gendo is talking with NERV about the return of the Angels, and they start agrueing about what Angels are, while Gendo is screaming "THEY'RE JUST COOL CODENAMES!!!! AAAAAAH!!!!![/B]
Eh, I guess you had to be there.
We Are All LOAF
They are if they act like pirates.Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Did you read False Colors? Kilrathi warlords owning a dreanought are more than mere pirates IMHO.
Bob McDob
Better Health Through Less Flavor
"Multiple exclamation points, a sure sign of a diseased mind".
I dunno...the whole thing reminds me of a sort of "Ur-Quan from Star Control by way of Babylon 5" The Ur-Quan, after all, were originally slaves who broke free, had a civil war, and decided to go their seperate ways, with a huge war to decide the outcome when they met again. The Shadows had a huge-ass war to support their ideals of chaos and fascism, and traumatized several races in the doing (didn't they visit Narn and have a gigantic impact on their civilization?), but got their asses handed to them by the younger races.
The Black Lance ARE definitely fascist...fascist encourages a sort of extreme darwinsistic "survival of the fittest" and "the strong will survive" mentality. Isn't that what the Shadows did?
A favorate Bug taunt IS "Conquer, or die!"
I suppose other theories might be...
The Nephilim are the local equivalent of the Shadows, but without the ultra tech. In other words, the Nephilim believe strongly in the survival of the fittest, and that competition makes one stronger, to the point that they aren't afraid of potential competitors (they'll have created someone fitter than they, after all, which validates their warped philosophy).[/b][/quote]
Covered this above...
The Shivans, of course (generally accepted as a Bug\Shadow\8472 ripoff... and named after an Indian god, to boot) are VERY xenophobic, and seem to enjoy running throughout the galaxy blowing everything up (they DID detonate Vasuda Prime...and Capella...and tried to do the same to Earth).
Actually, that theory IS rather workable.
So your warlords are full of hatred and are fighting one another. Hmm sounds like this blood feuds going to go on forever, knowing you Kilrathi...Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
One dreadnought is a force to reckon and there are others. That was only one warlord, there are plenty of others who can still muster a force and are full of hatred,. Once the petty fightng among the Kilrathi has ended the Kilrathi will rise again.
Raptor: Good, you are excused for this time. Next time you spoil the honour of the Kilrathi it'll be Zu'kara.
As for Raptor - yes please encourage your own men to commit suicide at the slightest infringement.
Which Evangelion episode?
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
Re: I swear....
That's paper theory. On the paper, the HellcatV has the same gun loadout as the Arrow. On paper, a Vaktoth should pose almost no threat to an Arrow.
FC made clear to me, that a dreadnought is indeed a very very potent ship. Of course, it was heavily damaged by a carrier but the heroes were onboard.
Penguin: Maybe the fighting betweeen each Warlord will take some time but once one side has won supremacy a new emperor will be chosen. That's how it works and always worked for the Kilrathi.
That's paper theory. On the paper, the HellcatV has the same gun loadout as the Arrow. On paper, a Vaktoth should pose almost no threat to an Arrow.
FC made clear to me, that a dreadnought is indeed a very very potent ship. Of course, it was heavily damaged by a carrier but the heroes were onboard.
Penguin: Maybe the fighting betweeen each Warlord will take some time but once one side has won supremacy a new emperor will be chosen. That's how it works and always worked for the Kilrathi.
Re: Re: I swear....
Don't you think that there's something wrong with that approach? Needlessly slaughtering vast hordes of your species just to pick a leader. And while you're busy slaughtering each other your technological progression will be much slower than Confeds. Not to mention all the resources you'll needlessly consume against each other. Face it, your ways are primitive and ultimately self defeating.
Don't you think that there's something wrong with that approach? Needlessly slaughtering vast hordes of your species just to pick a leader. And while you're busy slaughtering each other your technological progression will be much slower than Confeds. Not to mention all the resources you'll needlessly consume against each other. Face it, your ways are primitive and ultimately self defeating.
