Confed Flagship
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Death's Head
Spaceman
I believe he already has, a while back.
He is entitled to an opinion.
"Just because you can destroy a Neph capship in few minutes doesen't mean that it should be so easy."
I couldn't agree more. Should is the key word. Killing just about anything in Propehcy seems to be easy as far as gameplay is concerned.
"There's a mission toward the end where you get to see a Tallahassee class cruiser fight with a cat cruiser. Looked better than fireworks of the 4th of July"
Depends on what part of the US you are in
Sometimes I sat back and watched how the Confed ships faired without a t-bolt or hellcat blasting away along with at the cats. One time the Ajax was very near destruction, I watched intently as the Ajax launched a capship missile and as it streaked on its way(are confed missiles slower, couse it seems so?), the cruiser finised off the Ajax and the cruiser went up when the capship missile hit. In the words of Radio Rollins, "those capships sure blast some fireworks".
"Just because you can destroy a Neph capship in few minutes doesen't mean that it should be so easy."
I couldn't agree more. Should is the key word. Killing just about anything in Propehcy seems to be easy as far as gameplay is concerned.
"There's a mission toward the end where you get to see a Tallahassee class cruiser fight with a cat cruiser. Looked better than fireworks of the 4th of July"
Depends on what part of the US you are in
Sometimes I sat back and watched how the Confed ships faired without a t-bolt or hellcat blasting away along with at the cats. One time the Ajax was very near destruction, I watched intently as the Ajax launched a capship missile and as it streaked on its way(are confed missiles slower, couse it seems so?), the cruiser finised off the Ajax and the cruiser went up when the capship missile hit. In the words of Radio Rollins, "those capships sure blast some fireworks".
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***Twister, where did you get that? Just because it's the largest ship right now doesn't make it a flagship***
i know that, but i belife it's in the prophacy manual somewere...
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When I'm in the air...
I'm indestructible.
No one can stop me...
But they try.
Realy WC fans support the WCSCRP
i know that, but i belife it's in the prophacy manual somewere...
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When I'm in the air...
I'm indestructible.
No one can stop me...
But they try.
Realy WC fans support the WCSCRP
Quarto said:Gee Earthworm, next you'll be complaining about SO's "six pilots destroy the Nephilem fleet all by themselves" scenario.
Actualy SO was a little more belivable. You're on a cruiser, not a carrier, there are many missions in which you cooperate with other capships and fighters (I just love the missions with Excals and T-bolts. Shame we didn't get to fly them). So Casey and his friends didn't destroy the whole thing by themeslves, just most of it.
DH, I played that mission on Nightmare, and the two cruisers died at about the same time. First the cat cruiser went up in flames, but the few remaing antimatter bolts hit the Ajax and it blew up seconds later. That's what happens when me and my Excalibur aren't around to help.
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Quarto
Unknown Enemy
I could count the cooperative missions on my fingers, Earthworm. Most missions were just Casey & Co. Ah, well. Better an unrealistic SO than no SO, eh?
But considering how often we saw those Excals and T-Bolts go down, I really don't think you want to fly them
. Then again, I'd love to fly a Ferret, and that's practically asking for one of those fancy coffins with thrusters
. But hey, at least a Ferret isn't a coffin, unlike a certain Epee
.
But considering how often we saw those Excals and T-Bolts go down, I really don't think you want to fly them
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Realy? I seem to recal there being more than 10. Oh well, another excuse to replay it.Quarto said:
True, even though unrealistic, it has some great gameplay.Most missions were just Casey & Co. Ah, well. Better an unrealistic SO than no SO, eh?
It's all because of the damn AI. Those two ships could hold their own in a fight against bugs, if they had pilots that can make use of them. Even with it's thin armor, the Excal has 300cm of shields, and 6 medium/heavy guns.But considering how often we saw those Excals and T-Bolts go down, I really don't think you want to fly them.
Well than, go and play WC2. Or did you forgot to take your games to China with you?Then again, I'd love to fly a Ferret, and that's practically asking for one of those fancy coffins with thrusters. But hey, at least a Ferret isn't a coffin, unlike a certain Epee.
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Death's Head
Spaceman
When half the Confed fleet engaged the Kilrathi home fleet, the Bengal class Wolfhound was flagship, that's the only reference I found so far.
I tend to agree, a half-dozen pilots get something like 1800 kills, more or less. even if it were 180, that's a 30 to 1 kill ratio, and Confed pilots hardly died when I played.
I flew the Excalibur for several missions, it handled favorably, and the guns did well. The only problem I see is the gun recharge is piss poor.
I tend to agree, a half-dozen pilots get something like 1800 kills, more or less. even if it were 180, that's a 30 to 1 kill ratio, and Confed pilots hardly died when I played.
I flew the Excalibur for several missions, it handled favorably, and the guns did well. The only problem I see is the gun recharge is piss poor.
Has anyone considered porting WCP ships back into WC3 or WC4? It sounds stupid but crank up the shields and armor and you just might have some sweet capship battles (so youd have to tweak the game a little so it could take the bigger ships. It would still be fun, and think about the fireworks. Wouldnt matter what part of the U.S. you were in then...
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I don't respect your authority BECAUSE YOU HAVE NONE!!!
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I don't respect your authority BECAUSE YOU HAVE NONE!!!
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Chernikov said:Has anyone considered porting WCP ships back into WC3 or WC4? It sounds stupid but crank up the shields and armor and you just might have some sweet capship battles (so youd have to tweak the game a little so it could take the bigger ships. It would still be fun, and think about the fireworks. Wouldnt matter what part of the U.S. you were in then...)
The problem with this is backward capability. The WCP ships has stats and details that weren't presence in the older games. Nor would the games have the programming to handle the ships.
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Wing Commander is more than just a game. It is a lifestyle.
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Death's Head
Spaceman
Aye, that's a fair point Meson, but couldn't we exchange a ship with a new ship of sorts using the earlier requirements, add a converted model and add it to the tre? I haven't edited in a while so I really have no idea. I think you're right, I doubt it can be done.
Death's Head
Spaceman
Capships aren't like fighters in SO. SO conversions are essentially big fighters. Only a few people have been able to figuire out the capship shields for SO and make them work on new ships. I don't know how the earlier engines worked, but in SO, there seems to be a restriction on the ships we can make, they have up to 6 turrets. I don't think anyone has figuired out how to make a capship with capship missiles. I know you can make a missile look like one if you have the model and mats and crank up the damage, but they don't damage capships like the real missiles do for the bugs.
Then again, maybe someone figuired out how to do some of this stuff, but I don't know who.
Then again, maybe someone figuired out how to do some of this stuff, but I don't know who.
LeHah
212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
I really don't like the Midway for two reasons: first off, they killed off Hamill cheaply and I, being of the IMHFC (International Mark Hamill Fan Club), really don't like Hamill going out cheaply. Come on people, Blair can take a planetary shockwave in a (state of the art) fighter but he can't survive a goddamned Cap attack?
The other thing is, I'm sick to death of "Uber-weapons" like Midway and planet-killers and a lot of other crap as of recent. Our society has really forgotten that what makes a character cool is in what he/she DOESN'T do.
Think of "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" for example. Clint Eastwood/The Man With No Name: One of the biggest b*d*sses in film history and not because he can do tricks with his gun or shoot fast but because he'll stand there and WAIT. Kids and a lot of teenagers (I'm speaking as one) don't understand that it's not how many bullets you can rumble off of a Duel Reaper Cannon or even how accurate you are with it (one shot kills are one shot kills!) but the fact of character resolve and detail. Why is Han Solo so cool? Not jsut because he can fly the coolest ship in Star Wars, but because of his own personality and mythos.
Remember: "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
The other thing is, I'm sick to death of "Uber-weapons" like Midway and planet-killers and a lot of other crap as of recent. Our society has really forgotten that what makes a character cool is in what he/she DOESN'T do.
Think of "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" for example. Clint Eastwood/The Man With No Name: One of the biggest b*d*sses in film history and not because he can do tricks with his gun or shoot fast but because he'll stand there and WAIT. Kids and a lot of teenagers (I'm speaking as one) don't understand that it's not how many bullets you can rumble off of a Duel Reaper Cannon or even how accurate you are with it (one shot kills are one shot kills!) but the fact of character resolve and detail. Why is Han Solo so cool? Not jsut because he can fly the coolest ship in Star Wars, but because of his own personality and mythos.
Remember: "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
Quarto
Unknown Enemy
<Sigh> When does the hurting stop?
Blair was not killed off cheaply. He simply died. What the hell would YOUR odds of survival be, if a 7+ foot bug fell on your head? Now, you talk about how superweapons suck, and about how what a character doesn't do matters. And yet, you would have Blair act like some friggin' immortal?
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"Commodore Blair! You're alive!" Exclaimed Casey, staring in shock at the figure standing in the doorway.
"Well, ya know..." Blair replied in a nonchalant fashion, "them bugs ain't so tough." He spat out a black, chitinous appendage, and grinned. "Why, did you really think that they could get me, the Hero of Kilrah? I survived a planetary shockwave, you know. So it takes a hell of a lot more than a huge bug dropping on my head, an alien virus, and a huge explosion to get me."
"But... how did you get back? I mean, your shuttle was destroyed. I saw it blow up when the gateway collapsed."
"So?" Chris Blair shrugged. "I walked."
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I believe that is what you wanted, LeHah?
Blair was not killed off cheaply. He simply died. What the hell would YOUR odds of survival be, if a 7+ foot bug fell on your head? Now, you talk about how superweapons suck, and about how what a character doesn't do matters. And yet, you would have Blair act like some friggin' immortal?
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"Commodore Blair! You're alive!" Exclaimed Casey, staring in shock at the figure standing in the doorway.
"Well, ya know..." Blair replied in a nonchalant fashion, "them bugs ain't so tough." He spat out a black, chitinous appendage, and grinned. "Why, did you really think that they could get me, the Hero of Kilrah? I survived a planetary shockwave, you know. So it takes a hell of a lot more than a huge bug dropping on my head, an alien virus, and a huge explosion to get me."
"But... how did you get back? I mean, your shuttle was destroyed. I saw it blow up when the gateway collapsed."
"So?" Chris Blair shrugged. "I walked."
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I believe that is what you wanted, LeHah?
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Well, he could have gone out more heroically...
Like blow himself up with the tower or something, or get killed while making a last stand in the tower with his gun running low on bullets and more bug reinforcements descending upon his position.
LeHah: Damn strait about Blondie/The Man with No Name.
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The time is near.
There are still quite a few days remaining.
I don't care for fame, power or money...
I just want to FIGHT!
-Sanosuke Sagara
Like blow himself up with the tower or something, or get killed while making a last stand in the tower with his gun running low on bullets and more bug reinforcements descending upon his position.
LeHah: Damn strait about Blondie/The Man with No Name.
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The time is near.
There are still quite a few days remaining.
I don't care for fame, power or money...
I just want to FIGHT!
-Sanosuke Sagara
LeHah
212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
Wait Quatro. Don't start putting words in my mouth yet.
I didn't say I had a problem with Blair dead. Hell no. Dead is dead and I'll be damned before acknowledging ANYONE bringing him back to life. It seems there are no pearly gates, only revolving doors, in the world of sci-fi sometimes.
Blair could've gone out a much much better way than what was allotted, is all I'm saying. As for your somewhat odd meandering dialouge on "Now, you talk about how
superweapons suck, and about how what a character doesn't do matters. And
yet, you would have Blair act like some friggin' immortal?" is something of a contradiction on your behalf. If anything, I'm saying the elimination of superweapons and lots of state-of-the-art bullsh*t, might lead to more characterization and less garbage with the male "Bigger is Better" ideals.
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"The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness.
Ten men or more cannot kill such a man.
Common sense will not accomplish great things.
Simply become insane and desperate."
-Yamamoto Tsunetomo, "Hagakure"
I didn't say I had a problem with Blair dead. Hell no. Dead is dead and I'll be damned before acknowledging ANYONE bringing him back to life. It seems there are no pearly gates, only revolving doors, in the world of sci-fi sometimes.
Blair could've gone out a much much better way than what was allotted, is all I'm saying. As for your somewhat odd meandering dialouge on "Now, you talk about how
superweapons suck, and about how what a character doesn't do matters. And
yet, you would have Blair act like some friggin' immortal?" is something of a contradiction on your behalf. If anything, I'm saying the elimination of superweapons and lots of state-of-the-art bullsh*t, might lead to more characterization and less garbage with the male "Bigger is Better" ideals.
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"The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness.
Ten men or more cannot kill such a man.
Common sense will not accomplish great things.
Simply become insane and desperate."
-Yamamoto Tsunetomo, "Hagakure"
Quarto
Unknown Enemy
Well, no, actually the contradiction was all yours. The way I see it, if Blair was either to survive or to die in a more heroic fashion, he would BE a superweapon, rather than a proper character. Which would be very sad. Now, think about it. Do all heroes die in last stands? That would be totally unrealistic, and I'd have to object as much as I object to anybody even considering bringing him back (I'm glad you agree on that at least, or I'd have to kill ya
) to life. Most heroes actually die of old age. And I don't think you'd be very happy to find out that Blair caught a nasty cold and died because his body's natural defences ain't what they used to be
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So, don't complain of how he died. As a matter of fact, he died very, very heroically.
So, don't complain of how he died. As a matter of fact, he died very, very heroically.
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LeHah
212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
Ok, then allow me to retort and rephrase myself: I think Blair should've died more properly and in a better way, like, say, shoving a fighter down the throat of a carrier or the like. Blair was a pilot, not an officer and I refuse to acknowledge most of what happened in WCP as reality. WC ended with WC4 and that's it. Forstchen didn't write any books on it, the reviews were mild and the story was very slim. Too silm. Hell, I LOVED WC4 for it's consistant video use, even when people were hazing it 'cuz it took away flying time.
I do agree that war heros go out quietly. It's good that they do, no one can fight forever. Especially not Blair, after Angel's death, a divorce from Rachel and (in the novel) a May-December relationship with Sosa, countless friends and people (and, depending on the game, cartoon or movie, dead parents in variable fashions or alive parents that are no where to be heard), and the weight of the destruction of Behemoth and Concordia on his back. That's not something easily brushed off.
All I'll say is that Blair is Blair is Blue Hair goddamn it and I didn't play 4 games, 2 add-ons and read every book (minus End Run) just to watch him go out like that! :-p
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"The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness.
Ten men or more cannot kill such a man.
Common sense will not accomplish great things.
Simply become insane and desperate."
-Yamamoto Tsunetomo, "Hagakure"
I do agree that war heros go out quietly. It's good that they do, no one can fight forever. Especially not Blair, after Angel's death, a divorce from Rachel and (in the novel) a May-December relationship with Sosa, countless friends and people (and, depending on the game, cartoon or movie, dead parents in variable fashions or alive parents that are no where to be heard), and the weight of the destruction of Behemoth and Concordia on his back. That's not something easily brushed off.
All I'll say is that Blair is Blair is Blue Hair goddamn it and I didn't play 4 games, 2 add-ons and read every book (minus End Run) just to watch him go out like that! :-p
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"The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness.
Ten men or more cannot kill such a man.
Common sense will not accomplish great things.
Simply become insane and desperate."
-Yamamoto Tsunetomo, "Hagakure"
Death's Head
Spaceman
First of all it's Quarto, not Qautro
Second, The warlord looked like it was still dangling from the ceiling like Maniac who just had a rat put in his bunk.
Thirdly, only that SO fiction said there was a funeral, which I still haven't read. Lots of people get funerals, like war vets only to turn up living in the far east.
Lastly, I'm not one to insist Blair's alive, or really, really should be, but it would be better if you had a more active part rather than having saved his butt in the games only to watch him go missing with nothing you could do about it. At first I wondered if Blair should have been killed when Casey blew up the last tower, but instead of getting out of there, the smart thing, he started to have a leisurely look around and he got himself killed, or at least got himself extended leave.
Second, The warlord looked like it was still dangling from the ceiling like Maniac who just had a rat put in his bunk.
Thirdly, only that SO fiction said there was a funeral, which I still haven't read. Lots of people get funerals, like war vets only to turn up living in the far east.
Lastly, I'm not one to insist Blair's alive, or really, really should be, but it would be better if you had a more active part rather than having saved his butt in the games only to watch him go missing with nothing you could do about it. At first I wondered if Blair should have been killed when Casey blew up the last tower, but instead of getting out of there, the smart thing, he started to have a leisurely look around and he got himself killed, or at least got himself extended leave.
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