another saga campaign

Jdawg

Commodore
I was reading back thru the forums and Tolwyn said at one pt there was another campaign set after the event of wing commander 4 does anybody know what happened to it
 

Whiplash

Captain
Life happened. Saga took ten years to finish, and the team have moved on. They've repeatedly said that they have no plans to continue working on it. It's in the hands of other modders now to create more missions.
 

Aginor

Vice Admiral
Yeah, there are some people who build additional stuff for Saga.
Here's a list as far as I can remember.

WCS+ project: improvements of WCS. - Status: working on it
WCS Deutsch project: German translation. - Status: working on it

Mod+Campaign: Last Line of Defense - Status: working on it, I think.
Mod+Campaign: Enigma 2666 - On halt IIRC. May get finished at some point, but I don't know.
Mod+Campaign: "Sivar's Hand" - My Kilrathi mod. I'm still on it but it goes slow.

I also made a customizable training mission for WCS. It is called ASSM and you can get it here on the forums. It will also be included in WCS+ / WCS Deutsch

I'm pretty sure I forgot some. But IIRC none were released yet.
 

FekLeyrTarg

Rear Admiral
There are 2 more:
Hostile Frontier (The Landreich Campaign)
Operation Serpent (A Campaign taking place in the WC4 timeframe)

But I think Jdawg is refering himself to the WCS-campaign called Battlegroup Serpent. This is what I found:
http://www.shotglass.de/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=104

Wing Commander Saga: Battlegroup Serpent is a Freespace 2 modification. This game takes place in 2670. The player takes on the role of the young pilot Katarina "Cat" Thorn.
Stationed onboard an old Durango-class carrier, you patrol the Confederation's border. The ship with which you'll be sent on patrols isn't exactly fitted well. However, you shouldn't have
any problems beating the first missions, since the difficulty level rises slowly and shouldn't be too hard even for rookie pilots at the beginning. With Joystick or Keyboard, the controls of
your fighter is very easy but still conveys a believable feeling during flight. Like in Freespace 2, you can decide between multiple camera views.
During flight, you maintain contact with other members of your squadron, who inform you in time when a hostile bird is on your six. Especially attractive is ths structure of the missions:
You don't have to complete every goal 100%, but an enemy radar, which you've missed during a mission, can cause lots of trouble during the next assignment. In the first third of the
campaign, your assignments will be rather eas, since you've got to learn how to master control of your ship. All vehicles look excellent.
Both the graphics and the soundtrack, which consists of 40 great music tracks, will contribute a lot to the atmosphere.
~Project Leader Tolwyn.
And there also was Awakening of the Claw:
http://www.shotglass.de/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758#p11817

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ABOUT Wing Commander Saga: Awakening of the Claw
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* Awakening of the claw is set shortly after the events of Wing Commander 4. The systems of Toshi, Fargo 7, Tarson, and Iceni are heavy in Pirate activity, and the BWS Silver Star, a modifed Durango, and her escorts are sent to quell the Pirates and patrol the systems for any other activity. You play Lieutenant Davis, a relatively new pilot for the Border Worlds. As Lieutenant Davis, you meet new friends, battle enemies of old as well as new ones, and are immersed into a thick plot of mystery and blood lust. Though a mini-campaign, Awakening of the Claw promises to deliver action packed missions, a good storyline, and memorable characters.

The campaign features ships from Wing Commander 1-4.
Here are also many older screenshots:
http://www.shotglass.de/?show=News&action=showNewsByTag&param=33&newsTag=Wing Commander Saga

And here's a trailer for WC Saga: Battlegroup Serpent:
 

Jdawg

Commodore
There are 2 more:
Hostile Frontier (The Landreich Campaign)
Operation Serpent (A Campaign taking place in the WC4 timeframe)

But I think Jdawg is refering himself to the WCS-campaign called Battlegroup Serpent. This is what I found:
http://www.shotglass.de/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=104



And there also was Awakening of the Claw:
http://www.shotglass.de/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758#p11817



Here are also many older screenshots:
http://www.shotglass.de/?show=News&action=showNewsByTag&param=33&newsTag=Wing Commander Saga

And here's a trailer for WC Saga: Battlegroup Serpent:

yeah those two did any of those missions ever come out, or are they anywhere we can play them? it seemed they were far in development
 

Jdawg

Commodore
Yeah, there are some people who build additional stuff for Saga.
Here's a list as far as I can remember.

WCS+ project: improvements of WCS. - Status: working on it
WCS Deutsch project: German translation. - Status: working on it

Mod+Campaign: Last Line of Defense - Status: working on it, I think.
Mod+Campaign: Enigma 2666 - On halt IIRC. May get finished at some point, but I don't know.
Mod+Campaign: "Sivar's Hand" - My Kilrathi mod. I'm still on it but it goes slow.

I also made a customizable training mission for WCS. It is called ASSM and you can get it here on the forums. It will also be included in WCS+ / WCS Deutsch

I'm pretty sure I forgot some. But IIRC none were released yet.

whats different about your training mission, and do you have anything playable for your mod yet
 

Aginor

Vice Admiral
That WC4 stuff was the original plan for WCS, which was changed at some point to become the WCS you know. There was nothing released and almost none of the assets used made it into the final game. That was looong long ago.

My ASSM training mission allows you to select fighters and capital ships to fight with you or against you. Some sort of customizable simulator.
As for my mod: Nothing playable yet, sorry. Although the missions are almost complete, I lack other resources (working on the writing, and I need some art, like a player portrait).
 

Jdawg

Commodore
That WC4 stuff was the original plan for WCS, which was changed at some point to become the WCS you know. There was nothing released and almost none of the assets used made it into the final game. That was looong long ago.

My ASSM training mission allows you to select fighters and capital ships to fight with you or against you. Some sort of customizable simulator.
As for my mod: Nothing playable yet, sorry. Although the missions are almost complete, I lack other resources (working on the writing, and I need some art, like a player portrait).

well I would love to help anyway I can I always wanted to see the war from the other side of the fence
 

FekLeyrTarg

Rear Admiral
I think it would be interesting to know more details about "Battlegroup Serpent" and "Awakening of the Claw", like the plot, characters etc and especially why those stories were discontinued in favor of "The Darkest Dawn".
 

gevatter Lars

Vice Admiral
Battlegroup Serpent was my very first try to give Saga a story.
Before that Saga was more a "Lets just get all WC ships into the engine and then let them fight it out" thing. No story, just ships shooting at each other ^_^

That was about 9-10 years ago when Tolwyn and I first meet, I think. Not so sure anymore, its been to long ago.
I also don't remember much about the story. I think I was going for tho Confed - Borderworls - Landreich relationship. Then the timeline was moved and it became a WC3 story and then the main charactar changed to Sandman and finaly other authors took over. All that was left was Sandman as the main character.

So I doubt that you will see any progress on the Battlegroup Serpent as I don't even have any of the drafts that I had written back then.
I think I still got my story of a kilrathi merchant somewhere lying around but I never got very far with that either. Just a simple character layout and some plotpoints I think.
 

capi3101

Rear Admiral
I think I still got my story of a kilrathi merchant somewhere lying around but I never got very far with that either. Just a simple character layout and some plotpoints I think.
I might be interested in what info you have on this, if any of it's still available (I've been thinking off and on of side-plots for the Elegy campaign).
 

Tolwyn

Vice Admiral
yeah those two did any of those missions ever come out, or are they anywhere we can play them? it seemed they were far in development
Actually I still have the assets including mission files stored on my HDD. The WC 4 campaign was ~80% done when we pulled the plug back in 2004 and switched all of our efforts to the WC3 timeline laying the foundation for the Prologue and essentially the Darkest Dawn campaigns.
 

Jdawg

Commodore
Actually I still have the assets including mission files stored on my HDD. The WC 4 campaign was ~80% done when we pulled the plug back in 2004 and switched all of our efforts to the WC3 timeline laying the foundation for the Prologue and essentially the Darkest Dawn campaigns.
really is there anyway to play that bc wc4 is my fav in the timeline or is there anyway somebody could finish it at all. id help anyway I can
 

FekLeyrTarg

Rear Admiral
Wow, thank you for your little insight into Battlegroup Serpent. That's really interesting.
Especially the Kilrathi merchant sounds quite original. I don't recall ever seeing a cat merchant in the games or novels (although I vaguely recall Kilrathi merchants in Action Stations but I could be mistaken)
 

Wojo

Rear Admiral
I'm still doing this. My reasons escape me. Why I continue to punish myself after 6 years is beyond me. But here I am, flogging that dead horse...



Wing Commander Saga : Pilgrim Legacy

There. Now it has a name. It's up to the rest of you to shame me into completing it.
 

Aginor

Vice Admiral
Hey, we could shame each other into completing our respective mods!
Remember the stuff you did for Sivar's Hand? Do some more and I'll see if I can help you with yours. :)
 

Jdawg

Commodore
just know there are fans of these mods out there that really want to play them like me. I just got WC3 from Gog, its downloading im sure I will have deadzone issues again but oh well, saga had me jazzed to play thru the wc3 chapter again. all these mods help the cause to spread the wing commander name rather it be standoff, saga, or whatever. maybe with all these movies like star wars, star trek, interstellar, and the supposedly battlestar reboot plus all these new space sim games like star citizen coming out, EA will one day soon bring back the series .
 

Wojo

Rear Admiral
Hey, we could shame each other into completing our respective mods!
Remember the stuff you did for Sivar's Hand? Do some more and I'll see if I can help you with yours. :)
I was doing a kilrathi ready-room wasn't I? I think that was on my hard drive that crashed. Will see if I had a backup. But could just start over.

I'm just really over getting stuff working in FSOpen. Especially when we have Klavs cranking out these top-notch models in short order!
 

Luke

Captain
Off topic:

@Aginor, Wojo

I was doing a kilrathi ready-room wasn't I? I think that was on my hard drive that crashed. Will see if I had a backup. But could just start over.
Guys, don't forget to reserve a button area in the Kilrathi main hall for the new Extras-Menu from WCS+.

This is from the current WCS+ mainhall.

screen0055_button.jpg screen0056_menu.jpg
 
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Aginor

Vice Admiral
Yeah, I'd love it if we could come back to it. I've started working myself into it again (while trying some small fixes for WCS+) and it would be great if I could finish it.
I also have contact with Damon Czanik again, who is also a great artist, but he seems to be very busy unfortunately. I'll write him another email soon. He is supposed to work on the character portraits but I don't know how far his work has progressed yet.
 
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