HammerHead
Rear Admiral
Quarto said:Better that what, exactly? I think the first set of numbers you created was fine - an 8.3 metre Arrow doesn't seem at all unreasonable.
I don't know, I always thoght of the Arrow as bigger then the Ferret (yes, I have a problem even with the second set), may even longer then the Hornet (which is 15.83m long base on the WC1/WC2 ratio)
Quarto said:But - and this is the heart of the problem, IMO - whichever you may prefer, both sets of numbers are equally reasonable and equally wrong, because it is clear that, based on the Jrathek and Wraith example, Armada's rescaling of ships is not even internally consistent, let alone consistent with any other game. No matter what numbers we come up with, they'll still be wrong.
What a headake . all wanted was to make a reasonable size model for some animations...
Quarto said:...And there's something else to consider, too - how accurate were the WC2 numbers? Judging from the cutscene shots, the Rapier II seems to be only slightly bigger than your average WWII fighter... and that would mean it's still at least 5 metres bigger than it should be. The same question applies for WCP, of course - is there any reason to believe the ships are the right size there, given that we hardly ever see any shots with humans that could be used for size comparison?
the 19m length of the Rapier G is on par with the F-15, F-4 Phanthom II, F-14, F-22 and a handfull of other air-supiriority fighters. Since the Rapier's role is space-supiriority, and been on par with modern air-supiriority fighters (or at least some of them), which are the only real-life point of reffrence, I think we can establish it as been in "reasonable size".
One more point - F-57 Sabre - it is bigger, 23.6m, then any modern fighter craft, but again:
A. It is a heavy space fighter - it carries equipment that an airplane (and medium space-supiriority fighters) don't need.
and, more importantly-
B. There are quite a few fighter plane which are "scraching" the 23m long limit from it lower side - the F-101 Voodoo and F-106 delta-dart at 20.5m, Mig 31 and Su-27 at 21.5m, Mig 25 at 22.5m, and if we'll include fighter plane that didn't get into service, but did got in the air - the YF-23 at 21.1m, the F-108 Rapier (ADC heavy mach 3 interceptor) at 27m and YF-12A, a heavy mach 3 interceptor base on the SR-71 black bird, at 31m.
So I personally think that again - 23.6m for the Saber is reasonable.
And why is the Raptor longer? (again 28.5m, base on the WC1/WC2 ration, and not 36m)
Simple - The Sabre is wider and shorter (it's width is larger then it's length) while the Raptor is Longer and thinner.