What's your favorite Maniac moment?
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I love many scenes with Maniac in WC4. Several where he is very funny and others where he actually seems quite intuitive. I found it interesting that he was the first one to go with Eisen when he defected and always wondered at what that scene might have been like between him and Maniac. I wonder why he asked Maniac to pilot the shuttle for him. Was it just because he thought Maniac would be more impulsive and it would just sound fun for him? Or was he just like he said that he didn't want to put Blair in a position to jeoporadize his career whereas obviously Maniac's wasn't going any further.
I don't know if it was just my WC4, but in the intro where you pick the option of "This pisses me off" and Maniac's like, "Oh what is he gone?" And the he says something like "Yeah come on pal." It sounded like his voice cuts out or something. Does anyone know what I'm referring to?
I don't know if it was just my WC4, but in the intro where you pick the option of "This pisses me off" and Maniac's like, "Oh what is he gone?" And the he says something like "Yeah come on pal." It sounded like his voice cuts out or something. Does anyone know what I'm referring to?
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Yeah, I'm not totally sure, I was debating on whether to write pet or pat, but I thought I remembered the subtitles saying pet.. not sure though. I guess pet would also make sense because it has more of a sexual connotation. This is appropriate for making fun of the awkwardness of Blair patting Maniac on the arm. I always wondered if it was something Tom added spur of the moment or if it was written in the script. There had to be some laughs with these people working with video game movie directors when they're use to famous directors (Spielburg, etc.)- I always imagined a VG director telling Hamill to pat Maniac on the arm and Maniac making fun of it. There was a scene towards the beginning of WC4 where Blair is patted on the arm by someone (Eisen I think?) and there's a look he gives- it reminded me of the WC3 scene. I wonder if that was done on purpose?AD said:
That trend seems to continue with WC4. He seems to have less self confidence and acts a little less realistically IMO. I'm still glad to see him taking on a bigger role though, because Maniac played by Tom Wilson is my favorite character (even though I think he did MUCH better in WC3).Dix said:
Edfilho
Cry some more!
It's VERY interesting how in the official guide to WC1&2 the author portrays a maniac very similar to the one in WC3 and 4, only more aggressive and less goofy.
The guide is written as if it was the memories of the Player in the games - now we know he's Christopher "Maverick" Blair, but in the guide he's called Carl "Prankster" LaFong, probably one of the worst protagonist names ever. Anyway, there are long parts about the academy and Maniac's attitude on those is really like the on in WC3 and 4... And the TV cartoon.
The guide is written as if it was the memories of the Player in the games - now we know he's Christopher "Maverick" Blair, but in the guide he's called Carl "Prankster" LaFong, probably one of the worst protagonist names ever. Anyway, there are long parts about the academy and Maniac's attitude on those is really like the on in WC3 and 4... And the TV cartoon.
Maniac- "you don't see me smooching about with the admiral, tolwyn, tolwyn....tolwyn...did he say anything about me?
It not my fav quote but its the only one I can remember the now
Maniac in wc3 had some pretty good jokes but from WC4 and onwards nearly every line Wilson does is gold, way better than anything the novel maniac says or does!
It not my fav quote but its the only one I can remember the now
Maniac in wc3 had some pretty good jokes but from WC4 and onwards nearly every line Wilson does is gold, way better than anything the novel maniac says or does!
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Edx said:
That's generally not what happens at all. The novels are written based on the initial scripts... because they have to go to press months before the games come out. In writing the Wing Commander III novel, Andrew Keith had no knowledge of the film shoot... so a) the dialogue was different to start out with and b) he had no idea that Tom Wilson would be reading the scripts incredibly cheesy dialogue (rather, Maniac was the red-eyed punk rocker from Special Operations 2 in his mind).
Oh, what Maniac moment is the best. I can't decide between:
"Isn't that the guy from Star Wars?" (End of Credits Wc3/Blooper Reel)
"Everybody's heard of the Maniac. Everybody. Who here's heard of the Maniac? ... What, nobody? (Wc3)
"I've dated all you girls..." (Wc3)
"What are you, my mother?" (Wc4)
Although, I still laugh at the one on the blooper reel of Malcom McDowel messing up the "Downtown Kilrah" line.
"Isn't that the guy from Star Wars?" (End of Credits Wc3/Blooper Reel)
"Everybody's heard of the Maniac. Everybody. Who here's heard of the Maniac? ... What, nobody? (Wc3)
"I've dated all you girls..." (Wc3)
"What are you, my mother?" (Wc4)
Although, I still laugh at the one on the blooper reel of Malcom McDowel messing up the "Downtown Kilrah" line.
Bandit LOAF said:
Hmm, well those initial scripts must have sucked imo. And I still dont like the way they mixed the story around. I understand they have to take certian liberties but damn.
And what is "ConFleet"? In every instance in the games it has been "ConFed". I mean when in Wing 3, 4 or Prophecy do they ever refer to a "ConFleet", and ever in the content the Wing3 novel uses it? Maybe Wing 1 and 2 do, I dont know. why did he refer to "Victory" when it was always referred to as "the Victory". Little things like this also bothered me.
And Im pretty sure the 'initial scripts' didnt have that terrible Paladin dialogue in it. Some of it I still dont understand. And you can see where he is taking almost directly from the script because you can actually understand whats been written. before this book I had no idea one could actually write in a bad scottish accent.
Im reading End Run now and it seems a lot better. Hope it stays good.
Ed
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
The *final* script isn't very good -- Wing Commander 3 is infinitely entertaining, but it is very, very far from tightly written.
They're two words that mean different things, though. ConFleet is a contraction of Confederation Fleet... Confed is a shortening of Confederation. The former is the Wing Commander equivalent of 'United States Navy', the other is simply 'United States'. You don't use the two interchangably.
(That said, a text search of Heart of the Tiger tells me it uses 'Confed' 31 times... and 'ConFleet' only twice.)
Dropping the definitive article is generally considered correct when referring to spacecraft these days. It's also been a big debate regarding modern Star Trek, which talks about 'Voyager' and 'Enterprise' rather than 'the Voyager' and 'the Enterprise'. Think, in general, of real spacecraft, though -- you don't refer to 'the Atlantis', 'the Discovery' or 'the SpaceShipOne'.
I would be willing to bet that the scripts *do* specify that Paladin should be cast with a Scottish accent. (Though I'm not really sure what scene you're talking about - a reference would be nice!)
Im sorry this is kinda off topic... but Ive felt this rant coming for a while. lol
Some of it is perhaps, but at least in regard to the initial script (if the Wing 3 novel is faithful to it) its a work of art compared!
Even if I excuse the awful versipn of the used dialogue, why did they have to say things like ..."Tally ho!"... which is possibily the stupidest thing I read. (Did they even say that kind of stuff in Wing 1 or 2?)
How many times did they have to tell us Blair was slugglish after a jump? Yes, we know that they first time you told us....
How many times did they say, "Attack Attack Attack!""Targets Targets Targets!" that got a bit old...
And yes I KNOW Rachel calls Blair "skipper" a few times, and I KNOW Hobbs calls Blair "my friend/old friend" but the novel just uses these words ALL THE TIME.
To me it felt like it was written far too quick with hardly any proof reading.
(im ranting at the book not you btw 
)
And it just seems lazy to kill off ALL the main wingmen. Maniac, Vagabond... everyone! Sure, he didnt know they would make another game but it still seemed kinda silly even so.
I agree with that of course, but at least in the context they use the word "Confleet", where it seemed to be "ConFed". At no time (that I can remember) did Wing 3 or 4 ever use the word Confleet. And Im making a guess here but did Wing 1 or 2 ever do it either?--- And in case Im wrong on both these counts, did they EVER use the word in THAT context?(ie, the novel's). I dont even think the novel EVER says "ConFed".
??? But... we are talking about Wing Commander not Star Trek.... if it was "becoming the trend" and Wing 3 decided to stay with "The Victory" why did all the way up to Prophecy stick stay the same, ie. "The TCS Midway"? Heck, I think even Freelancer used "The" in the same way. Now correct me if Im wrong, but was Wing 1 or 2 different? If not... then it realy makes no sence to me why the novel decided to change it for no reason, and so it wouldnt make much sence the early scripts would have done it different either.
hehe...AhA!! A challenge Mr LOAF you take I shall make....
I challenge yo'uto please turn to page 313, when Paladin first arrives on the Victory.
eg... "Och, lad, dinna hurry! I'm nae sae old that ye maun rush tae see me before I keel over!" -- "What the f*ck?"... Is what I said when I read that the first time. And then again a few more times after I reread it again and the rest of that page. I mean you really think thats how they wrote it in the the script, even an early one? You think they did that for John Rys Davis' character in LOTR too? Of course not. I know he is Scottish but its not necessary to make it stupidly hard for the readers.
Now please look at page 316-317. And you'll notice that for some reason the ridiculously badly written accent is suddenly completely gone and you no longer need to spend a several moments (or rather longer) trying to translate it.
eg..."This is the Temblor Bomb, he said quietly, "It was developed by Dr Philip Severin one of the top research men in the Confederation. Its been undergoing tests for some time now.. nearly a decade, in fact"
There, thats better. "They do try and make a weak excuse for this by saying, "Blair always noticed that Paladin's accent faded as he focused on important matters" ...
Uh huh...so they have started off introducing Paladin as having such a strong scottish accent they felt the need to make it almost incomprehensibly hard to understand whats written by trying to write it as exactly-as-it-sounds just to make their point, and then we are expected to believe that when he is "serious" he somehow looses this accent alltogether?? Riiiight....
The writers do seem to bring back the stupidly written dialogue later, but its toned down some, but still you can really notice when they start to get carried away again. Personally I think its because they made up some of the scenes whereas the more sensible dialogue like on page 316-317, they were following the actual script, and couldnt be bothered with trying to "translate" all that normal english text so it reads like a very bad scottish accent like they started.
Go back and watch the mechanic whatsherface girl on the Wing Commander: Academy series with the terrible Scottish accent. Well that exactly how this reads!! lol
Ed
Bandit LOAF said:
Some of it is perhaps, but at least in regard to the initial script (if the Wing 3 novel is faithful to it) its a work of art compared!
Even if I excuse the awful versipn of the used dialogue, why did they have to say things like ..."Tally ho!"... which is possibily the stupidest thing I read. (Did they even say that kind of stuff in Wing 1 or 2?)
How many times did they have to tell us Blair was slugglish after a jump? Yes, we know that they first time you told us....
How many times did they say, "Attack Attack Attack!""Targets Targets Targets!" that got a bit old...
And yes I KNOW Rachel calls Blair "skipper" a few times, and I KNOW Hobbs calls Blair "my friend/old friend" but the novel just uses these words ALL THE TIME.
To me it felt like it was written far too quick with hardly any proof reading.
(im ranting at the book not you btw )And it just seems lazy to kill off ALL the main wingmen. Maniac, Vagabond... everyone! Sure, he didnt know they would make another game but it still seemed kinda silly even so.
I agree with that of course, but at least in the context they use the word "Confleet", where it seemed to be "ConFed". At no time (that I can remember) did Wing 3 or 4 ever use the word Confleet. And Im making a guess here but did Wing 1 or 2 ever do it either?--- And in case Im wrong on both these counts, did they EVER use the word in THAT context?(ie, the novel's). I dont even think the novel EVER says "ConFed".
??? But... we are talking about Wing Commander not Star Trek.... if it was "becoming the trend" and Wing 3 decided to stay with "The Victory" why did all the way up to Prophecy stick stay the same, ie. "The TCS Midway"? Heck, I think even Freelancer used "The" in the same way. Now correct me if Im wrong, but was Wing 1 or 2 different? If not... then it realy makes no sence to me why the novel decided to change it for no reason, and so it wouldnt make much sence the early scripts would have done it different either.
hehe...AhA!! A challenge Mr LOAF you take I shall make....
I challenge yo'uto please turn to page 313, when Paladin first arrives on the Victory.
eg... "Och, lad, dinna hurry! I'm nae sae old that ye maun rush tae see me before I keel over!" -- "What the f*ck?"... Is what I said when I read that the first time. And then again a few more times after I reread it again and the rest of that page. I mean you really think thats how they wrote it in the the script, even an early one? You think they did that for John Rys Davis' character in LOTR too? Of course not. I know he is Scottish but its not necessary to make it stupidly hard for the readers.
Now please look at page 316-317. And you'll notice that for some reason the ridiculously badly written accent is suddenly completely gone and you no longer need to spend a several moments (or rather longer) trying to translate it.
eg..."This is the Temblor Bomb, he said quietly, "It was developed by Dr Philip Severin one of the top research men in the Confederation. Its been undergoing tests for some time now.. nearly a decade, in fact"
There, thats better. "They do try and make a weak excuse for this by saying, "Blair always noticed that Paladin's accent faded as he focused on important matters" ...
Uh huh...so they have started off introducing Paladin as having such a strong scottish accent they felt the need to make it almost incomprehensibly hard to understand whats written by trying to write it as exactly-as-it-sounds just to make their point, and then we are expected to believe that when he is "serious" he somehow looses this accent alltogether?? Riiiight....
The writers do seem to bring back the stupidly written dialogue later, but its toned down some, but still you can really notice when they start to get carried away again. Personally I think its because they made up some of the scenes whereas the more sensible dialogue like on page 316-317, they were following the actual script, and couldnt be bothered with trying to "translate" all that normal english text so it reads like a very bad scottish accent like they started.
Go back and watch the mechanic whatsherface girl on the Wing Commander: Academy series with the terrible Scottish accent. Well that exactly how this reads!! lol
Ed
Getting back to the topic... I like the bloopers when Tom Wilson says ..(same scene)
one take: "Oh man... Ive dated all you girls..... we need some new porno on this ship!"
another take: *gazes at magazine*... "...look at those little staples.."
next take: "...if they dont have staples why talk to em..."
or the blooper take when he says...
One take: "How many people here know about the Maniac, huh?... *points offscreen* oh! ... oh.. its a mirror..."
Another take: "How many people here know about the Maniac, huh?... anybody at all.......dont jump up all at once or anything everybody..."
Or another blooper from the same..."isnt that the guy from Star Wars?" scene:
one take: "how long was he behind me?... Thanks for telling me... guess what Im wearing under this... Come on guess.."
I also like the bit on the blooper reel (ok its a Tom Wilson moment not a Maniac moment but) off set at 2mins47secs when Tom says:
"...In the middle of my scene, he starts going.. *makes light sabre sounds and does LSabre movements *...... NO Man!.. Im like 'hey!... Snap out of it!.... you know?"
That was my favourite
Ed
one take: "Oh man... Ive dated all you girls..... we need some new porno on this ship!"
another take: *gazes at magazine*... "...look at those little staples.."
next take: "...if they dont have staples why talk to em..."
or the blooper take when he says...
One take: "How many people here know about the Maniac, huh?... *points offscreen* oh! ... oh.. its a mirror..."
Another take: "How many people here know about the Maniac, huh?... anybody at all.......dont jump up all at once or anything everybody..."
Or another blooper from the same..."isnt that the guy from Star Wars?" scene:
one take: "how long was he behind me?... Thanks for telling me... guess what Im wearing under this... Come on guess.."
I also like the bit on the blooper reel (ok its a Tom Wilson moment not a Maniac moment but) off set at 2mins47secs when Tom says:
"...In the middle of my scene, he starts going.. *makes light sabre sounds and does LSabre movements *...... NO Man!.. Im like 'hey!... Snap out of it!.... you know?"
That was my favourite
Ed