Wc fans not liking Freespace.

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I don't understand why many WC fans don't like the Freespace series. It seems to me that its the best option out there ina market that no longer sees any new Wing Commander games. Freespace is an uncommonly good space sim. One of the best out there. It's similar to the first game in that you play a character devoid of personality. I feel the story is very good and interesting. Anyone whoclaims that it copies Prophecies storyline hasn't put much time into playing the game. I'd reccommend Freespace and Freespace 2 to every Wing Commander fan as an extremely good alternative now that we won't be seeing any new WC games any time soon(We probably won't be seeing any new Freespace games any time soon, but for those of you that haven't tried it yet, you should)
 
Wow... Not only is this thread a bad idea, but I think it's against the rules too :p

However, having played both series, I can say that they were different enough that nobody copied anyone else... It's just that there are only so many ways you can create a space sim...

Both games are good to those of us that like space sims, but there are still those, and I'm sure there are many on this board, that aren't space sim fans as much as they're WC fans... I'd suggest you keep that distinction in mind the next time you post ;)

But what do I know?
 
I don't think it was an issue of anyone copying anybody else, but I started out on WC, and I have played FS.
I just have more sentiment when it comes to WC...The original, and In my opinion, the best.
 
Yeah.. Freespace.. what a great story. What great character development. I cried when Alpha 2 died.. he was like a best friend to the player's character. What's his name again?
 
Guys Cut the crap, Freespace and WC are two different space flight sims. Freespace has graphics which far outstrip WC as well as an interesting Storyline. WC has fantastic plot immersion, as well as a brilliant backdrop. Both are unlike each other in so many ways, it is impossible to compare the two. if you do want to compare them instead of thinking about which one is better than the other try thinking: "how good would WC be with freespace 2's graphics?" That is something we shouldn't be talking about, that's something we should be doing. Until then keep thoughts about freespace and WC to yourselves unless your complementing both of them on their strengths. Both are really strong games for many reasons.

BTW you'll never see a freespace 3, Interplay owned the rights, and they've gone bust. Volition can't get the rights unless THQ buys out Interplay, which doesn't seem to be likely any time soon.
 
Descent Freespace: Descent (Descent!) is nowhere near as good as Descent: Descent to Undermountain Descent.
 
First of all, if in the opinion of any moderators I violated the rules with this post, then please by all means, I invite them to close it.

I'm not comparing anything, I'm not saying Freespace is better than Wing Commander.

My point was that I've observed (particularely in CIC news postings in the past) a bit of hostility towards Freespace by Wing Commander fans. I'm just suggesting that hostility may be undeserved.

As for the CPL_Hades comment, obviously your dealing with two incomparable styles which is why I didn't try comparing them in the first place. Wing Commander takes a very personal approach(how events affect you personally) while Freespace deals with a universal scale(how events affect the world).

And on one parting note, Freeespace was never meant to be Descent:Freespace; they just stuck in the Descent when they found out the name Freespace by itself is already copyrighted. Thats why in England its called Conflict:Freespace, and in Freespace 2 they got rid of the Descent moniker all together. The game's genre, background, and everything having to do with it except its publisher has nothing to do with Descent.
 
Wait, incomparible styles? It's very, very, very easy to compare them. One of them is Wing Commander, and the other is a bad Wing Commander ripoff. The only difference between them is that one of them is bad and a ripoff.
 
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And on one parting note, Freeespace was never meant to be Descent:Freespace; they just stuck in the Descent when they found out the name Freespace by itself is already copyrighted. Thats why in England its called Conflict:Freespace, and in Freespace 2 they got rid of the Descent moniker all together. The game's genre, background, and everything having to do with it except its publisher has nothing to do with Descent.
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Code II, Section 4, Article 6 of the United States Video Media Act of 1976 requires that, when the issue of copywrite infringement arises, the name "Descent" must be affixed to a product.

This is why Pepsi sells Descent: Sprite brand soft drinks.
 
Don't mock me, I'm serious, I read it in a Volition faq.

Anyone who didn't believe me when I said there was undue hostility against Freespace in the WC community can see what I mean from the last two posts
 
Originally posted by Wildshot
Don't mock me, I'm serious, I read it in a Volition faq.
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You're a very serious Volition fanboy -- do you *honestly* believe that they just "happened" to attach the name of their most successful game series to a new, untested one to avoid copywrite infringement?

Anyone who didn't believe me when I said there was undue hostility against Freespace in the WC community can see what I mean from the last two posts
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Undue sarcasm is more like it.

Freespace is a WC ripoff, that's enough to generate hostility... and it's a *bad* WC ripoff -- which makes it even worse.
 
I'm no one's fanboy, every game Volition made besides Freespace sucked. Red Faction was mediocre at best and I didn't even bother with Summoner. You don't want to believe me fine, the way you are reacting to the post paints you as an obvious Origin fanboy who will not give any thing else a chance. I love Wing Commander, I love Freespace, I'm also fond of the X-Wing series.

As for the Descent thing, I don't care why they put Descent in front of the original Freespace. Freespace was definately copyrighted ahead of time, that was never an option. Now adding Descent definately had marketting possibilities, but anyone who bothered playing the game through would now it had nothing to do with Descent in any way.

As for being a bad clone of Wing Commander, other than both of them being Space sims involving things like "shooting enemy fighters" and "escorting friendly convoys" and "aliens" they have very little in common. I will not delve deeper because there are very few ways to compare two extremely good games without it sounding as if I don't like one of them.
 
Frankly, when we get down to talking about combining Freespace elements with Wing Commander, the only thing I want to see combined is the multiplayer capabilities. That would have made WC the most kick ass game of all time lol... people would be drueling and chomping at the bit for the next release, which isn't to say people aren't doing that already, I just mean more people... lol.
 
All I can say is that I own both Freespace games and like them both lots.....sure the story isnt as involved as WC but then again what space shooter is???
But its the missions that make up the gameplay and thats where Freespace excels. I have just as much fun shooting at Shivans as I do Kilrathi or the bugs..... still if I had to choose between the two series I would probably still take WC , purely based on the fact that I feel like im part of the story. But only just.......
 
arghh.. what's that rank ? And tell me how the hell we can get a "special" rank with only 87 posts... lol

Freespace is not bad. But I prefer the WC storyline. Definitely.
I played I-War 2; this is an excellent space combat simulator, with beautiful graphics, but I think it would be more attractive with... terrans and kilrathis ! Yes, as I said, there is a lack of storyline in those games. Well, no exactly a lack... but they need the "thing" that made WC great...
 
You like the rank LOAF? You;re going to have to look at this post a hell of a lot of times then because this is the last one I'm ever making on this board. It's your board, do what you want with it, but you keep this pattern up you're going to goig to convince a lot of people to never come here again. Every time someone posts something you disagree with, you start off with a few small posts to try to get them going in the other direction, then you start the name calling, and if that doesn't work, on with the rank changing. I really don't need to deal with that, and I really have no need to ever come to the CIC again. If Origin ever decides to change their mind, I'll find out on IGN.

As for the whole Freespace thing, since I won't be making many, if ANY posts after this, I thought I'd just say a few parting words.

By Loaf's response I feel I've definately proved my point beyond any reasonable doubt that there is definately undue hostility towards Freespace in the WC community. I never started any Freespace vs Wing Commander post(although LOAF tried to degenerate the post into that). I'm saying Freespace deserves more attention from Wing Commander fans. Both games could stand to learn a lot from each other. Obviously Freespace could benefit from the more personal storyline of Wing Commander. I won't compare graphics or multiplayer capabilities becasue the games were made at different times, but it would've been nice if Wing Commander had the dynamic objectives like Freespace had, the closest Wing Commander ever came to that was the Kilrathi blowing up the Behemoth. Also the epic Capship battles of Freespace was really something. I'm not saying either game is bad. Both are extremely good. I would never attempt to choose between them because I don't have that problem, I own both.

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Theres hostility toward Freespace simply because Freespace sucks. Sure, I think FS2 had a pretty graphics engine, but thats all it ever had going for it. If you want a Wing Commander game, you don't buy Freespace. That's like buying the reprint of a rare book: why would you do that if that rare book is sitting in your lap?
 
Freespace did suck. The only good thing about it (at the time) was the graphics, now even those are way behind. The only fun i ever had with FS & FS2 was making my own missions where I could blow up terran ships. Other than that, the FS sucked. Some good mods have come out of it, but thats it. If you really dont want to come back: tootles!
 
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