Most HATED weapon...
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LeHah has the point to FoF missiles - get a tub with a gun load the means you dont NEED missiles to take out anything in front of you, then salvo a quartet anytime you get in trouble. Or just toss off everything at once for a cool little poof-looking effect (managable in WCP by dropping 12 FoFs into a 1-ms-life pod... =D)
Hated... you would have to discount everything from Privateer because each of them fits a financial strat As far as straight military, I'd have to go with the ion cannon, as by the time they came into service you had things that could shoot farther and things that could hurt more, and things that did both at once for less energy drain. The sheer mediocrity of it brought it down, coupled with your being forced to use it on two of the major fighters.
The photon cannon, which is arguably inferior, is excused because it only appeared on one ship, and the refire/drain characteristics fit reasonably well with the rest of the armaments. On the arrow, however, four laser cannon would deliver only fifteen percent less firepower than the laser/ions with half the power drain - more than enough to add a third set of lasers or keep the existing four firing continuously.
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Hated... you would have to discount everything from Privateer because each of them fits a financial strat As far as straight military, I'd have to go with the ion cannon, as by the time they came into service you had things that could shoot farther and things that could hurt more, and things that did both at once for less energy drain. The sheer mediocrity of it brought it down, coupled with your being forced to use it on two of the major fighters.
The photon cannon, which is arguably inferior, is excused because it only appeared on one ship, and the refire/drain characteristics fit reasonably well with the rest of the armaments. On the arrow, however, four laser cannon would deliver only fifteen percent less firepower than the laser/ions with half the power drain - more than enough to add a third set of lasers or keep the existing four firing continuously.
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Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
I think it depends much on which WC game you are using the weapon in. I found the HS in Wc1 and 2 to be almost as effective as an IR whereas in Armada I found them pretty useless.
But genrally spoken I think I'll go with the star/coneburst, since I never achieved anything with them (but I didn't really try either). The FoF isn't much in my favour too.
The stupidiest gun I saw in the WC universe is the Chain Ion IMO.
But genrally spoken I think I'll go with the star/coneburst, since I never achieved anything with them (but I didn't really try either). The FoF isn't much in my favour too.
The stupidiest gun I saw in the WC universe is the Chain Ion IMO.
Battler Hawke
Spaceman
I hate the fire and forget.
I like the heat seekers.
I like the heat seekers.
Unforgiven
Spaceman
Fire and Forget?!?Originally posted by Battler Hawke
I hate the fire and forget.
I like the heat seekers.
Don't you mean Friend or Foe.
Technically, all guided missiles are Fire and Forget missiles. (with the exception of laserguided missiles, where you have to keep a laser pointed at your target after firing, but WC doesn't have those)
AD
Finder of things, Doer of stuff
I don't really remember since it's been a while since I played prophecy. But I don't recall having to. But its possible. The swarmers are probably my favorite Missile from WCP.
I didnt really like the chain gun. It took to long to do significant dammage. But the effect was cool. But it had limmited ammo.
AD
AD
Finder of things, Doer of stuff
Never noticed or tried the storm fire in wc4.... Hmmm must have missed it the times I played... unless it was on the bearcat. for some reason I've never play the path where you get bearcats.
As for it's usefullness in WCP, it's inefectiveness for me might just be poor aim... then again.
AD.
As for it's usefullness in WCP, it's inefectiveness for me might just be poor aim... then again.
AD.
Wedge009
Rogue Leader
I didn't really like the WC4 Mace, but the SO2 Mace was incredibly useful against capships - since it's not a torpedo, the stupid kitties just lets the Mace through. Bet they weren't expecting a nuclear blast from an ordinary dumbfire.
Before I came here, that would probably have been my choice too. However, although I haven't the opportunity to try the technique myself, I remember someone (Crid?) saying that they're incredibly useful for taking out carriers with open hangar bays. Just a pity that the only enemy carrier you have the opportunity to use it on is the Vesuvius, and I don't think that the cone/starburst would do much against that beast.
The WC4 leeches are probably not that useful (although I intend to use it in my next round of WC4, to minimise 'casualties'). But, as I found out recently, the leeches are excellent at taking down capship phase shields.
That Wraith was good for something after all.Although I don't like using the fission cannon myself, I'll admit that they can be useful.
I found myself thinking that too, but I eventually voted for the laser. Turrets are worthless in WCP because of them, and I don't like their weak damage potential. They might have long range, but I prefer my fighting up close.
The thing about HS missiles is that they have more warhead capacity than IRs due to a less sophisticated tracking system.
DFs are very useful against stupid Nephilim.
I don't use missile very often in early WCs, but I think the 'problem' you describe is applicable to all missiles in those games. But I found the HS to be incredibly easy for the enemies to shake in WCP/SO.
First point is valid. Second point shouldn't make a difference. Use your 'target nearest enemy' button more. ;-)
Er, pehaps you're just uncoordinated. ;-) I don't particularly like the RPs myself, but ships like the Tigershark, they can be useful.
They're always useful against decoyless targets in WCP/SO.
What last navpoint are you talking about? If this is Privateer, I disagree. Most ships are faster than missiles, and they frequently outrun them.
And Swarmers do use laserlock - that's why they cannot be decoyed.
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
You mean, besieds having thick shields, incredible speed and gun firepower? (at least in WCA)
DFs are very useful against stupid Nephilim.
I couldn't agree more.
Only on the Vesuvius?
You mean, after I flash-pak the Vesuvius it's pretty useless?
Gotta agree because of the lock-on times. However I LIKED the WC3 leech missile because for the same characteristics of the IR missile it was a one-shot one-kill weapon. I found them especially useful against starfighters of the Vaktoth or larger class, as a single shot would take them out of the battle, to be either cleaned up later or killed by my wingman.
Hmm.. I didn't care for the Fission cannon myself. I have a great deal of difficulty aiming them. They're spaced far apart, so it's hard to hit something with both at the same time. No ITTS either. Takes time to recharge, too. I found that continuous use of auto-tracking tachyon and plasma killed craft a lot quicker than hit-or-miss with a fission cannon.
I actually *prefer* the HS in WCP to the FF. Why? Because
1) I know which target it's going to hit.
2) I only fire from dead astern at < 500 meters anyway (no time to decoy, can't maneuver away)
3. It makes a heckuva KA-BOOM when it hits.
The big advantage of the stormfire is that it doesn't drain energy, so you can both lay down a huge volume of fire, and divert power to where it would do more good. At the higher levels of WC4, even a marginal gain in shield recharge or acceleration makes a huge differance.
Best, Raptor
Best, Raptor
Bob McDob
Better Health Through Less Flavor
Stormfire has been upgraded to fire higher caliber rounds at a slower rate...then a gain, just as well, since if the MkI was used against the Bugs it'd do less damage than tissue paper (Believe me, I tried)
[Ooh yeah,and the !@#$ actually has to RELOAD! Like a REAL WEAPON! Can you believe that?????
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[Ooh yeah,and the !@#$ actually has to RELOAD! Like a REAL WEAPON! Can you believe that?????
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Wedge009
Rogue Leader
I didn't feel that the Wraith was that superior. I don't remember feeling invincible, and the Reaper cannons didn't feel like anything special - they were probably there for the sake of being a new weapon (they were also very noisy, IIRC). So the speed thing was the only exceptional feature, I thought, which wasn't a big deal, since speed (or lack of it) doesn't bother me too much.
What do you mean? The star/coneburst feels pretty useless anyway.
Never thought about that aspect. Although I prefer the kitties to die as quickly as possible. On the other hand, having them sitting like a duck, waiting to be blasted (or probably committing suicide)... bwa ha ha ha!
Could be useful if you wanted to capture fighters...I feel the same way... minus the "can't aim" bit.
The others will shoot you down for the no ITTS bit - remember WC1/2?