Bengal Retrofit

thats not the case with all design. it all depends on what you're aiming to acheive. from the side, seeing that those deals are all the same height, you'll preserve the shape. from the front too. my only thing is the wing bits holding the lower gun batteries is lacking detail. if that were to get some paneling or some such it'd help tie them in with the rest of the ship.
 
i have nothing to add, cause Brad added everything i wanted ;) Very good job. Not perfect cause of the sharp edges, but... edges become round after the model is done. But with this amount of detailes i do not know if its every possible to round every edge on this baby ;)

So we will just pass by the round edges process adn say that this baby is good, damn good ;)

Makes me create something heavily detailed and sharp ;) Starting the work..... ;)
 
Gotta agree with Lynx on this one. If you model a Cadillac with boxes and tubes sticking out of it, you didn't model a Cadillac at all, and you certainly didn't model a highly detailed Cadillac. :p

The model works as some alternate reality's Bengal, which is what it's meant to be, considering the background Maj Striker wrote for it... but it's not just a detailed version of the Bengal we know by any stretch of the imagination (that would be the other guy's model, which is a detailed model but stays true to the WC1 reference material).
 
Hmm, well there appears to be differing schools of thought here. First, I'd like to say the model is not done, there is a lot of fine tuning I need yet to do as well as some major modelling (underbelly and engines).

Now, I understand that the visual aspect of this may attract or repel people here but one thing is for sure...this is the Bengal carrier's body. I don't have access to my pc right now (I'm at work) but if I were to render a side or a top black mask of this mesh and compare it to the original, the body outline is very much the same.

As far as I can tell, this link here is the most detail ever illustrated of the Bengal

http://www.blacklance.org/claw/19.html


Which leaves a lot be filled in because we know certain things exist on this carrier...such as launching tubes sensor arrays etc etc. I chose to fill in those details in my own manner (thus the greebling etc). Now, granted I may have gone a little overboard with my details because I'm still learning the process but I think you'll find if I stripped off all the additional details that I added...this model is very much the Bengal.

P.S. Thanks Brad! :)
 
As far as I can tell, this link here is the most detail ever illustrated of the Bengal
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In terms of "original" reference material, there's some others -- particularly, the "movie" shots of the carrier... during takeoff and landing, in the endgame, in the Wing 2 intro, etc.

Then lots of later sources have shown more detailed Bengals -- WCA, SWC, the movie, etc (there's a pretty clean 'top' view in SNES SM1).
 
Maj.Striker said:
Now, I understand that the visual aspect of this may attract or repel people here but one thing is for sure...this is the Bengal carrier's body. I don't have access to my pc right now (I'm at work) but if I were to render a side or a top black mask of this mesh and compare it to the original, the body outline is very much the same.
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That's not really a valid point, though... there's much more to the original bengal than a top view outline.

Maj.Striker said:
As far as I can tell, this link here is the most detail ever illustrated of the Bengal
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As LOAF pointed out, there are better close up shots of specific parts found elsewhere. And even if the Claw Marks pic was the most detailed picture ever, it already looks radically different from your model. Apparently, you assumed that whenever someone drew a flat surface in 1990, what they really meant to draw was 312 little blocks sticking out of a flat surface. :)

Maj.Striker said:
Which leaves a lot be filled in because we know certain things exist on this carrier...such as launching tubes sensor arrays etc etc. I chose to fill in those details in my own manner (thus the greebling etc).
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Yes, and that's what makes this carrier not look like the Bengal everyone knows. We know there are things like launch tubes... and we see them in WCATV. You could add the launch tubes the way we see them there, but instead you chose to do it in your own manner. And you can't ask people to think your Bengal is the accurate one, while WCATV's is the innacurate one. The same goes for all the other "filler" stuff. We know the carrier has hull plating, and we see it in WC1... but your hull plating doesn't look like WC1's.

Just compare the runway from WC1's landing sequence to your runway... they're both more detailed than on the Claw Mark's blueprints, but they're also both radically different.

This model is your interpretation of the ship, and you intentionally took a lot of liberties and dropped a lot of canon reference material, that's all I'm saying.
 
haha, now that would definitely be pretty tough to combine the Movie shots of the Claw, the Wing Commander 1 PC cut scenes (still only a 320x240 picture) and the SNES cut scenes of the Bengal into one coherent model. :) In fact that would be incredible. However, one thing I've noticed is that the movie Bengal model looks much more like the SNES Bengal model than anything else...don't know if that was intentional or not.

Anyways, I meant to say that my model has the same body structure as the PC version of Wing Commander 1's does.
 
When I first saw this design on Sci-fi meshes my thought was this, "that it was the WCM Tiger's Claw should have looked like." Which made me think that maybe that was Striker's intention to make the Wing1 TC look more like it belonged in the WCM universe, trying to find some kind of middle ground. I agree though that it is way too overgreebled and that those six spines on the engines are nto needed. I also think that the turret stalks are way too long, creating major weak points.
 
My apologies, I was thinking of the MAC version, not the SNES version. Between the movie version, the pc version and the mac version there's enough differences shown in the Bengal Model that mine doesn't feel that out of place...

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See article here:
www.wcnews.com/ articles/art32.shtml
 
I quite like it. Obviously in the details a bit different from the Bengal as it's been represented before, so if I have to, I'll just say it's a model I rather like of something very similar to a Bengal. I think the ribs on the wings are nice. I would echo Brad's comments about the arms that hold the lower batteries, they are quite plain compared to the rest. Overall I think the effect is quite nice.
 
who said that the bengal class carrier can't be detailed as it was detailed by Maj.Striker? I never saw any reference material (except wc ingame drawings). But those drawings are nothing else than simplified version. Did you ever see anything very very very very very very detailed in the cartoon? nope. Only in movies, cause movies pretend to be realistic (i mean sci-fi movies), i bet if WCM had Tiger's Claw based on Wc1 ship, than they would model it with many detailes as possible, like Maj.Striker did.

Who said that the real model (manufactured bengal ship) couldn't have those gunz and ribs on it's front (landing pad) part? We just do not know the particular blueprint, cause at the time of wc1 the blueprints were detailed for jet fighters and not the carriers. Maj. Striker gave the only detailed blueprint i've ever seen. And i bet it was meant to be a scentch and not the detailed blueprint of the Bengal Class (and Tiger's Claw in paricular)


Personaly I think that Maj.Striker is doing the great job and i think that his work is going the right way. I like all the detailes and can actualy assume (and give the facts) why they are supposed to be there... it's just the question of imagination. Cause wc1 blueprints and any other reference left us with alot of free space to think about the possible design (detailes in particular) ;)



So Maj.Striker, jsut do not listen to anyone and continue to model what you like. It doesn't metter to make it for everyone, the thing is that you need to make it for yourself, so you will like it and than others will like it as well.


P.S. Waiting for other renders ;)
 
It's staggering to see how much this forum fears anything "different"...
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Yeah, people are clearly terrified of the fact that Major Striker made a different Bengal.

While I certainly resent on a logical level the idea that Eder's opinion is how "this forum" thinks, I am none the less honored on a personal level... his criticism was well written and *polite*. Unlike you, he's not trying to offend anyone. Go be a doofus somewhere else.

who said that the bengal class carrier can't be detailed as it was detailed by Maj.Striker? I never saw any reference material (except wc ingame drawings). But those drawings are nothing else than simplified version.
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I think we get some pretty clear shots of the 'close' details in the original game. Take the scrolling 'landing' sequence where you see the individual deck plates and lettering on the top of the ship. Or the 'winning' endgame -- you see individual plates and the shape of the back of the ship.

(Here's a shot:
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I think Eder's comments are completely valid, *except* -- Major Striker isn't trying to pass this off as a more detailed version of the ship we see in the original WC. He constructed a background and whatnot specifically to explain his changes. I, personally, would absolutely love to see a Bengal model that takes into account all the little details seen in the original game (and then perhaps a variation of said model for the cartoon...) -- but that's not what Maj. Striker set out to do and it's not whe he claims he set out to do.

(If one of you cool 3D model people wants to develop that, I'll happily gather up the source materials.)
 
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I've just finished reading this entire thread and woa... heavy stuff.
MajorStriker should be quite pleased that his work inspires such passion among everyone.
For my part, all I know is this: the image of your Bengal is now my wallpaper and I like it a lot :) :)
 
Bandit LOAF said:
(If one of you cool 3D model people wants to develop that, I'll happily gather up the source materials.)
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I'm taking drafting in my school right now. and in there i can use a program called Inventor. if you don't mind i'd like to take a crack at it. im still learning the ropes but i catch on fast. perhaps you could give me sources for the Bearcat as a practice model?
 
Bandit LOAF said:
I think Eder's comments are completely valid, *except* -- Major Striker isn't trying to pass this off as a more detailed version of the ship we see in the original WC. He constructed a background and whatnot specifically to explain his changes.
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Actually, it's just lazy people who read half a dozen words on each of my posts but decided to comment on the subject anyway. As I said on my very first post on this thread:
Eder said:
The model works as some alternate reality's Bengal, which is what it's meant to be, considering the background Maj Striker wrote for it... but it's not just a detailed version of the Bengal we know (...)
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And, as I told MS on another of my posts on this thread:
Eder said:
This model is your interpretation of the ship, and you intentionally took a lot of liberties and dropped a lot of canon reference material, that's all I'm saying.
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Hence, people who are saying "The Forum" despises anything that's different, or other such nonsense, are just reading carelessly. What I said is that MS's model is not a high-detail version of WC1's Bengal, but rather a complete rework of a Bengal's hull (which is what he intended it to be in the first place), and, for that reason, it doesn't please me, as an individual. Nobody has any reason to be offended by my opinions.

Bandit LOAF said:
(If one of you cool 3D model people wants to develop that, I'll happily gather up the source materials.)
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Ok, I'll do it. :) I still owe you those WC2 Crossbow textures, BTW.
 
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