Who outranks who?

frostytheplebe

frostytheplebe

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Col. Blair or Col. Devereaux? It's sort of confusing given that Angel is the Wing Commander aboard the Concordia in WC2. But by the end of Wing Commander 1 Blair is a Major while she is still a Captain. But then at the end of Wing Commander 2, Blair is promoted to Colonel. Would he be given priviledge to outrank her?

I know she was still Wing Commander aboard the Concordia but after his promotion, she didn't seem to order him around as much.
 
I know she was still Wing Commander aboard the Concordia but after his promotion, she didn't seem to order him around as much.
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Probably because of the fact they're having a relationship. I think as Concordia's Wing Commander she is technically Blair's superior.
 
There's actually two possible answers to that question. In general, two officers of the same rank are accorded privilege according to seniority - ie, who had the rank first.

Blair was, I think, promoted to Colonel just prior to the K'Tithrak Mang operation, then reduced in rank to Captain as a result of his court-martial in 2655. Angel was promoted to Colonel sometime before 2665.110 but after the loss of the Tiger's Claw.

The question as to which of them has seniority depends on whether Blair's original rank of Colonel was restored with full seniority, or whether he was just re-promoted to Colonel.

Regardless, Angel is still Blair's commanding officer whilst he's flying off the Concordia and would be perfectly entitled to give him orders even if he was a General.
 
Ilanin said:
There's actually two possible answers to that question. In general, two officers of the same rank are accorded privilege according to seniority - ie, who had the rank first.
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He wasn't. He was a Major then. You can get promoted to colonel during WC1, but Canonically his rank was Major then
 
Mancubus said:
He wasn't. He was a Major then. You can get promoted to colonel during WC1, but Canonically his rank was Major then
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I think the highest rank you can achieve in WC1/secret missions is Lt. Colonel, but yeah, still not a Colonel before Devereaux.

That's a wonderful moment, right at the end of WC2 - when Tolwyn decides in his power to promote you three ranks at once

"Nice work -- Colonel Blair"
 
-danr- said:
I think the highest rank you can achieve in WC1/secret missions is Lt. Colonel, but yeah, still not a Colonel before Devereaux.

That's a wonderful moment, right at the end of WC2 - when Tolwyn decides in his power to promote you three ranks at once

"Nice work -- Colonel Blair"
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I wonder if he decide to set the pay record straight too, given the difference between Captain and Colonel :p
 
frostytheplebe said:
Col. Blair or Col. Devereaux? It's sort of confusing given that Angel is the Wing Commander aboard the Concordia in WC2. But by the end of Wing Commander 1 Blair is a Major while she is still a Captain. But then at the end of Wing Commander 2, Blair is promoted to Colonel. Would he be given priviledge to outrank her?

I know she was still Wing Commander aboard the Concordia but after his promotion, she didn't seem to order him around as much.
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Well, after Blair's promotion, we just don't see them interact that much, because the Special Ops stuff takes place elsewhere. Whenever we see a briefing, though, Blair obviously accepts his assignments and such. In fact, you could argue that the only reason you don't see Angel ordering him around that much is because he stopped whining about being sent out on patrols and such.

Anyway - on the Tiger's Claw, Blair outranked Angel right at the end. On the Concordia, Blair's equal in rank, but he is subordinate to Angel. We can imagine, though, that this was a temporary state - one of those two would soon have ended up assigned some place else.
 
Quarto said:
Anyway - on the Tiger's Claw, Blair outranked Angel right at the end. On the Concordia, Blair's equal in rank, but he is subordinate to Angel. We can imagine, though, that this was a temporary state - one of those two would soon have ended up assigned some place else.
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Well technically that did happen. Blair was transferred into Covert ops while Angel stayed on the Concordia. The question is, when did Angel get transferred into Covert? Wasn't Blair Wing Commander aboard the Concordia during the early stages of the Battle of Terra? That would imply that Angel was transferred out and I thought she was transferred to the Lexington for her mission... however the Concordia class Lex hadn't even been destroyed yet.
 
But the carrier that was to become the Armada Lexington may have already been built - at the very least, it would have already been under construction. Besides which, it takes time to put together and train a team that's supposed to infiltrate the enemy capital.

(I mean, Angel must have spent months learning to walk and talk like a Kilrathi ;))
 
On a side note, for some reason I have the memory that Blair was promoted to full Colonel after the end of SM2 off-screen. But I don't think that's correct...

The Concordia was probably destroyed not much before the start of WC3 since it's still burning.
 
Triple-B said:
does anyone know how the concordia was destroyed in vespus?
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All we know is that it was destroyed by stealth fighters - this is mentioned offhand in Star*Soldier.

I was very much disappointed when I read that, actually - I'd hoped the Concordia had gone down fighting, making use of its PTC and all that, in some great big rearguard action. Ah, well - then again, we still know precious little, so anything's possible.
 
Quarto said:
All we know is that it was destroyed by stealth fighters - this is mentioned offhand in Star*Soldier.

I was very much disappointed when I read that, actually - I'd hoped the Concordia had gone down fighting, making use of its PTC and all that, in some great big rearguard action. Ah, well - then again, we still know precious little, so anything's possible.
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IIRC it doesn't really elaborate on the actual incident beyond the inclusion of stealth fighters. Quite possibly she was involved in some kind of action at the time in which stealth fighters also eventually played a role. Strakha seem pretty commonplace by the time of WC3.

(I mean, Angel must have spent months learning to walk and talk like a Kilrathi )
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Hehe, yeah. Though I guess Kilrathi are known to have slaves... They could have been posing as slaves of some sort.
 
Quarto said:
All we know is that it was destroyed by stealth fighters - this is mentioned offhand in Star*Soldier.

I was very much disappointed when I read that, actually - I'd hoped the Concordia had gone down fighting, making use of its PTC and all that, in some great big rearguard action. Ah, well - then again, we still know precious little, so anything's possible.
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BUT it does go along with the tradition of carriers Blair had served on at that point. That said... You have to wonder if maybe someone had a memory lapse and wrote Concordia instead of TC.
 
frostytheplebe said:
BUT it does go along with the tradition of carriers Blair had served on at that point. That said... You have to wonder if maybe someone had a memory lapse and wrote Concordia instead of TC.
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That wasn't it. :) "The weapon that destroyed the Tiger's Claw, Concordia and Behemoth..." https://cdn.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/ssp56.PNG

One carrier (the Claw) isn't a tradition, and he served on other ships like the Formidable, Caernarvon Station and Bonnie Heather up to that point as well.

You have to also understand that it's marketing hype as well. The quote comes from a Kilrathi advertisement. There were also a bunch of Paktahn involved with taking down the Behemoth. All it might mean is that Strakhas were part of whatever the rearguard action over Vespus was.
 
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AD said:
Hehe, yeah. Though I guess Kilrathi are known to have slaves... They could have been posing as slaves of some sort.
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"Right Symphatetic Kilrathi Family who wants to make peace with the humans, we want to pose as your slaves so we can learn about your planet."
- "What good will that do you?"
"So we can blow it up and kill you all!"
 
Didn't the Emperor order all the human slaves on Kilrah to be executed during Fleet Action, in a fit of rage due to Jukaga being entirely too human?
 
I always thought Angel and her team were on Kilrah covertly, god knows how they'd have got down there but during WC3 I could imagine them camped out somewhere on the harsh rocky planes of Kilrah, living out of supplies from a landing craft or something.

Where did the 'posing as slave theory' come from? Is it mentioned in canon somewhere? or just supposition?
 
ChrisReid said:
That wasn't it. :) "The weapon that destroyed the Tiger's Claw, Concordia and Behemoth..." https://cdn.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/ssp56.PNG

One carrier (the Claw) isn't a tradition, and he served on other ships like the Formidable, Caernarvon Station and Bonnie Heather up to that point as well.

You have to also understand that it's marketing hype as well. The quote comes from a Kilrathi advertisement. There were also a bunch of Paktahn involved with taking down the Behemoth. All it might mean is that Strakhas were part of whatever the rearguard action over Vespus was.
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It doesn't even say stelth fighters or anything. For all we know it could have been a skipper missile
 
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