WC1 squadrons
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mpanty
Keen Commander
LOL Supdon!!!!!!
One shot in a million!
But Twister (and LOAF soon
), come on!! It just doesn't make sense... you're nitpicking and tyring to justify at all costs...
They fly DIFFERENT SHIPS for God's sake!!
In WC I (and Secret Missions), Blair changes squadron once in a while through Killer Bees (Hornets), Blue Devils (Scimitars), Star Slayers (Raptors) and Black Lions (Rapiers).
Are you telling me he changes to other ships as well, just like that!? Plus they are briefed by Tolwyn in the series, TOLWYN himself!! So basically you're also saying that they keep changing their briefing "leader", once Col. Halcyon, then Tolwyn...
If that wasn't enough, they also keep changing Squadrons quite a lot, mmmmh?
Well I say : NO WAY!!
[Edited by mpanty on 03-07-2001 at 15:33]
One shot in a million!
But Twister (and LOAF soon
), come on!! It just doesn't make sense... you're nitpicking and tyring to justify at all costs...They fly DIFFERENT SHIPS for God's sake!!
In WC I (and Secret Missions), Blair changes squadron once in a while through Killer Bees (Hornets), Blue Devils (Scimitars), Star Slayers (Raptors) and Black Lions (Rapiers).
Are you telling me he changes to other ships as well, just like that!? Plus they are briefed by Tolwyn in the series, TOLWYN himself!! So basically you're also saying that they keep changing their briefing "leader", once Col. Halcyon, then Tolwyn...
If that wasn't enough, they also keep changing Squadrons quite a lot, mmmmh?
Well I say : NO WAY!!
[Edited by mpanty on 03-07-2001 at 15:33]
mpanty
Keen Commander
AHA!! I can get back to you on this one Supdon!!
Remember that in WC I, with the mirror in the barracks, you can actually check the dateline?
Well, I took every single mission scheme down in my notes, along with the dateline (AH! Have you done better than that LOAF?... mmmhh probably yes...) and I noticed (if I recall correctly) that the VEGA campaign only lasts for about a month or two... therefore you can easily achieve MAJOR in that period, for the Vega Campaign.
You don't need "extra time"...
Remember that in WC I, with the mirror in the barracks, you can actually check the dateline?
Well, I took every single mission scheme down in my notes, along with the dateline (AH! Have you done better than that LOAF?... mmmhh probably yes...) and I noticed (if I recall correctly) that the VEGA campaign only lasts for about a month or two... therefore you can easily achieve MAJOR in that period, for the Vega Campaign.
You don't need "extra time"...
)You're the one who's nitpicking... there are over hunder pilots on the Claw, and there's absoultely no reason why we absolutely have to see the WC1 pilots in there.Originally posted by mpanty
But Twister (and LOAF soon
Wow, what in the hell are you talking about?
AFAYK Tolwyn brief's them on the most important missions.
Just like in the game
That's because you sir, are a moron.
mpanty
Keen Commander
THERE is a reason!! If the last ATV episodes talk about disrupting the Sivar Eshrad ceremony (like LOAF said), then we should see other pilots, the ones that flew on Blair's wing during the Secret Missions 2!!
But HE CAN'T CHANGE TO PILOT A HELLCAT OR A BROADSWORD, switch back to a RAPTOR, then again to a Hellcat, then to a RAPIER!!!!!! It just isn't the way the game works: you keep your ship (and respective squadron) for all the missions of the system!!
WTF is AFAYK????
And as records will point out, Tolwyn was not on the Claw all the time during the campaign, he could not have done all those briefings...
Originally posted by me
Well I say : NO WAY!!Originally posted by Earthworm
That's because you sir, are a moron.
Thanx for the "sir"... who said that Generals do not show respect to Captains??!!
[Edited by mpanty on 03-07-2001 at 21:12]
That is a DIFERENT Sivar Eshrad, you'd think that the absence of Firekkans would more than prove that.
No, you don't. On more than one ocasion we were assigned different ship for special duties in WC1. And most of the time Blair and Maniac fly in Scims anyway.
As far as you know...
What records, what the hell are you talking about? Tolwyn was on the Claw, because we obvioulsy saw him there.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
(I've got to admit, this is one of my favorite arguments... it's like the cookiedough ice-cream of Wing Commander arguments -- so stop calling people morons, Earthworm, lets have an intelligent debate...).
Anyway, firstoff -- Wing Commander 1 ended on 2654.325... whatever date you get in-game is random, aside from the start (2654.110). The rest of the dates in WC1 can be calculated by in-game and WC1/2 guide references (yesterdays mission, earlier today and so forth) data from the official timelines and various other things (the date for the TCSO show, for instance, is given in Claw Marks). Here's the list...
2654.110 Enyo 1
2654.111 Enyo 2
2654.112 McAuliffe 1
2654.112 McAuliffe 2
2654.114 McAuliffe 3
2654.115 Gateway 1
2654.116 Gateway 2
2654.117 Gateway 3
2654.118 Gimile 1
2654.119 Gimile 2
2654.120 Gimile 3
2654.121 Brimstone 1
2654.122 Brimstone 2
2654.123 Brimstone 3
2654.124 Cheng Du 1
2654.125 Cheng Du 2
2654.126 Cheng Du 3
2654.136 Dakota 1
2654.137 Dakota 2
2654.138 Dakota 3
2654.139 Port Hedland 1
2654.140 Port Hedland 2
2654.141 Port Hedland 3
2654.142 Kurasawa 1
2654.143 Kurasawa 2
2654.144 Kurasawa 3
2654.145 Rostov 1
2654.146 Rostov 2
2654.147 Rostov 3
2654.287 Venice 1
2654.288 Venice 2
2654.318 Hubble's Star 1
2654.319 Hubble's Star 2
2654.320 Hubble's Star 3
2654.321 Hell's Kitchen 1
2654.322 Hell's Kitchen 2
2654.323 Hell's Kitchen 3
2654.324 Hell's Kitchen 4
2654.325 Venice 3
2654.325 Venice 4
Long story short there's a 'blank' period around the 2654 Sivar Ceremony -- when WCA takes place.
As for Tolwyn commanding the Tiger's Claw for a period -- this was established as far back as the Wing Commander 3 novel... Tolwyn accused Captain Thorn of incompetance, and took over command of the ship for himself. Tolwyn left before Thor's Hammer, leaving Halcyon in charge -- until Thorn was returned to us in SM2.
Another confusion regarding the Academy show is that it's set when they're *at* the Academy -- this isn't so... they're at a special command school, the Wing Commander Academy (check out the press kit which defines this -- we've got it here at the CIC!) after having graduated the TCSNA at Hilthros and passed through flight school at Sirius (what we see in the first episode).
Regarding the other ships -- Blair *doesn't* go through Wing Commander 1 flying just the 4 types simulated there... he flies the Epee, Ferret and Broadsword on WCA (and the old Rapier in the movie)! I don't think there's any canon reason why the Tiger's Claw wouldn't have other classes of fighters aboard her -- there's clearly squadrons that we don't fly out of in WC1 (some of them are even mentioned there!), so it makes sense that there are ships we don't fly (especially if you acknowledge any old-torpedo source, which would indicate that there is probably some sort of torpedo...).
Anyway, we *could* disregard the novels, movie, books and certain elements of the game -- but what would we gain? The concept of there being only four kinds of fighters in WC1? That's not much of a tradeoff, IMO.
Anyway, firstoff -- Wing Commander 1 ended on 2654.325... whatever date you get in-game is random, aside from the start (2654.110). The rest of the dates in WC1 can be calculated by in-game and WC1/2 guide references (yesterdays mission, earlier today and so forth) data from the official timelines and various other things (the date for the TCSO show, for instance, is given in Claw Marks). Here's the list...
2654.110 Enyo 1
2654.111 Enyo 2
2654.112 McAuliffe 1
2654.112 McAuliffe 2
2654.114 McAuliffe 3
2654.115 Gateway 1
2654.116 Gateway 2
2654.117 Gateway 3
2654.118 Gimile 1
2654.119 Gimile 2
2654.120 Gimile 3
2654.121 Brimstone 1
2654.122 Brimstone 2
2654.123 Brimstone 3
2654.124 Cheng Du 1
2654.125 Cheng Du 2
2654.126 Cheng Du 3
2654.136 Dakota 1
2654.137 Dakota 2
2654.138 Dakota 3
2654.139 Port Hedland 1
2654.140 Port Hedland 2
2654.141 Port Hedland 3
2654.142 Kurasawa 1
2654.143 Kurasawa 2
2654.144 Kurasawa 3
2654.145 Rostov 1
2654.146 Rostov 2
2654.147 Rostov 3
2654.287 Venice 1
2654.288 Venice 2
2654.318 Hubble's Star 1
2654.319 Hubble's Star 2
2654.320 Hubble's Star 3
2654.321 Hell's Kitchen 1
2654.322 Hell's Kitchen 2
2654.323 Hell's Kitchen 3
2654.324 Hell's Kitchen 4
2654.325 Venice 3
2654.325 Venice 4
Long story short there's a 'blank' period around the 2654 Sivar Ceremony -- when WCA takes place.
As for Tolwyn commanding the Tiger's Claw for a period -- this was established as far back as the Wing Commander 3 novel... Tolwyn accused Captain Thorn of incompetance, and took over command of the ship for himself. Tolwyn left before Thor's Hammer, leaving Halcyon in charge -- until Thorn was returned to us in SM2.
Another confusion regarding the Academy show is that it's set when they're *at* the Academy -- this isn't so... they're at a special command school, the Wing Commander Academy (check out the press kit which defines this -- we've got it here at the CIC!) after having graduated the TCSNA at Hilthros and passed through flight school at Sirius (what we see in the first episode).
Regarding the other ships -- Blair *doesn't* go through Wing Commander 1 flying just the 4 types simulated there... he flies the Epee, Ferret and Broadsword on WCA (and the old Rapier in the movie)! I don't think there's any canon reason why the Tiger's Claw wouldn't have other classes of fighters aboard her -- there's clearly squadrons that we don't fly out of in WC1 (some of them are even mentioned there!), so it makes sense that there are ships we don't fly (especially if you acknowledge any old-torpedo source, which would indicate that there is probably some sort of torpedo...).
Anyway, we *could* disregard the novels, movie, books and certain elements of the game -- but what would we gain? The concept of there being only four kinds of fighters in WC1? That's not much of a tradeoff, IMO.