ok, we've all seen the results of the WCESCRP, hehehe as to be expected it failed miserably.... I've been wondering though, would it be possible to get origin to release the source not to the general public, since that's against their policy... but to a small group of programmers, even if they had to sign confidentiality agreements. The coders could work on the source, create patches for various wc games, such as porting privateer/armada to windows, adding higher resolutions to wc3/4 etc. Origin, could then sell the patches for money at a reasonable price, say at $10.00 a patch, or sell patched versions of the game for full price of say $49.00 for a full game. It's not the favourite method of everyone which would be to have WC go opensource... but at least it WOULD get us the patches we want. Is anyone interested in this idea? would they be interested in joining the programming group?