WC IV no escorts

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Cadfael

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What really bothered me in Wc IV was the fact that the Lexington or the Intrepit didn't have a single escort ship.
In WC 3 the victory had 2 destroyers and 1 cruiser but in wc IV even the vesuvius didn't have an escort.
I Know the war is over but even in peacetime nowadays a carrier never leaves port without a whole fleet of destroyers cruisers and submarines.
Why didn't they add any escorts in wc IV??
 
Well, the Intrepid was kinda out on her own. She had been badly damaged by Confed forces, so presumeably her escorts had been destroyed or disabled.

The Versuvius was acting 'illegally' so she would have few, if any Black Lance escorts. Besides that, she has both an enormous fighter complement and also very significant fixed firepower for a carrier.

I agree though, the Lexington SHOULD have had an escort. Unless she did and they were just 'escorting' her from beyond range of sight.
 
Originally posted by AzraeL
The Versuvius was acting 'illegally' so she would have few, if any Black Lance escorts. Besides that, she has both an enormous fighter complement and also very significant fixed firepower for a carrier.
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The Vesuvius wasn't illegal!!!
And even if i can build and steal the greatest carrier in human history then i would certainly be able to take some frigates with me!
 
Originally posted by AzraeL
I agree though, the Lexington SHOULD have had an escort. Unless she did and they were just 'escorting' her from beyond range of sight.
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The out of sight thing is pretty cool!!!
But that doesn't make sense in space!!
However it saves a lot of work.


[Edited by Cadfael on 04-27-2001 at 03:28]
 
Originally posted by Cadfael

The Vesuvius wasn't illegal!!! And even if i can build and steal the greatest carrier in human history then i would certainly be able to take some frigates with me!
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The Vesuvius may not have been illegal, but what she was doing (acting as the flagship of a group that using bioweapons, attacking convoys and trying to stir up a war between Confed and and an ally) was certainly illegal. And as for taking a few escorts along, I imagine they thought the Master Race had no need of such things when dealing with such an rag-tag enemy as the Border Worlders.

Best, Raptor
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Originally posted by Raptor
Originally posted by Cadfael

The Vesuvius wasn't illegal!!! And even if i can build and steal the greatest carrier in human history then i would certainly be able to take some frigates with me!
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The Vesuvius may not have been illegal, but what she was doing (acting as the flagship of a group that using bioweapons, attacking convoys and trying to stir up a war between Confed and and an ally) was certainly illegal. And as for taking a few escorts along, I imagine they thought the Master Race had no need of such things when dealing with such an rag-tag enemy as the Border Worlders.

Best, Raptor
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That rag-tag enemy had destroyed the lexington together with hundrets of fighters and they stole new fighters(bearcat) is that a rag-tag enemy??
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Originally posted by Cadfael
That rag-tag enemy had destroyed the lexington together with hundrets of fighters and they stole new fighters(bearcat) is that a rag-tag enemy??
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In general they were, as their fighters and capships were a lot less advanced than Confed's were, not to mention there were a lot fewer of them. Of course, as the Space Nazis discovered to their cost, anyone who messes (there are other words I could use, but I won't) with the Border Worlders on their home turf usually regrets it.

Best, Raptor
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Originally posted by Raptor
Originally posted by Cadfael
That rag-tag enemy had destroyed the lexington together with hundrets of fighters and they stole new fighters(bearcat) is that a rag-tag enemy??
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In general they were, as their fighters and capships were a lot less advanced than Confed's were, not to mention there were a lot fewer of them. Of course, as the Space Nazis discovered to their cost, anyone who messes (there are other words I could use, but I won't) with the Border Worlders on their home turf usually regrets it.

Best, Raptor
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Sorry but did you ever compare the avenger with the longbow or the banshee with the hellcat??
They were even stronger then their confed counterparts even if this sounds stupid they are acctually stronger in the game!So their fighters are not a lot less advanced!
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Well, they didn't have the top of the tine fighters like the Bearcat, Exaclibur and Dragon, which were significantly better than any of the BW fighters. Not to mention that a huge proportion of the BW force was still using Ferrets, Rapiers and Sabres.

Best, Raptor
 
Yeah but what has this to do with the escorts i mean no carrier leaves without an escort!!!
Even if the "top fighters"(Bearcat haha) wich the lexington didn't have are better then the borderworlds fighters.
Especially a vesuvius needs escorts it's just too valuable to be lost in a torpedo or direct cruiser attack.
THE SAME FOR THE MIDWAY!!
 
Exactly - top-of-the-line Confed fighters were superior to top-of-the-line BW fighters. Granted, these fighters were in turn superior to ordinary Confed fighters (which made up a vast majority of Confed forces), but the Border Worlds probably had twenty ships of each kind or something :). As the WC4 novel shows, the majority of BW forces consisted of obsolete fighters - and even some of this junk was in fact borrowed from Landreich.
 
Originally posted by Cadfael
Yeah but what has this to do with the escorts i mean no carrier leaves without an escort!!!
Even if the "top fighters"(Bearcat haha) wich the lexington didn't have are better then the borderworlds fighters.
Especially a vesuvius needs escorts it's just too valuable to be lost in a torpedo or direct cruiser attack.
THE SAME FOR THE MIDWAY!!
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The point I'm making is that given the numerous disdavantages the Border Worlders had, it would have been all to all too easy to dismiss them as a serious threat. That's especially true for a group like the Black Lance, who think of themselves as being superior to us mere mortals. That might have been why they were overconfident enough to leave both the Lexington and the Vesuvius without adequate escorts. Naturally, the Border Worlders made them pay dearly for that. :D

Best, Raptor
 
True, Tolwyn had the full and offical backing of the Confederation at that point. Blair was the outlaw.

So, technically, since the Vesuvius wasn't present at any illegal activity (except the Axius station. which was explained away easily enough), it should have had enough escorts to turn the Intrepid into dust.
 
The battle between the vesuvius and the st.Helens could have easily be won if the st.helens took one or two frigates with her or a cruiser but no they didn't and thats just stupid.
 
Originally posted by Cadfael
Yeah but what has this to do with the escorts i mean no carrier leaves without an escort!!!
Even if the "top fighters"(Bearcat haha) wich the lexington didn't have are better then the borderworlds fighters.
Especially a vesuvius needs escorts it's just too valuable to be lost in a torpedo or direct cruiser attack.
THE SAME FOR THE MIDWAY!!
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i seem to remember a mention that the midway was supposed to act as her own battlegroup.. and for that reason didnt have any escorts... the same probably went for the vesuvius
 
Originally posted by WildCat
Originally posted by Cadfael
Yeah but what has this to do with the escorts i mean no carrier leaves without an escort!!!
Even if the "top fighters"(Bearcat haha) wich the lexington didn't have are better then the borderworlds fighters.
Especially a vesuvius needs escorts it's just too valuable to be lost in a torpedo or direct cruiser attack.
THE SAME FOR THE MIDWAY!!
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i seem to remember a mention that the midway was supposed to act as her own battlegroup.. and for that reason didnt have any escorts... the same probably went for the vesuvius
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But only in peace time, in war she must have an escort (destroyers, or cruisers).
 
The Lexington had escorts, in the novel Blair mentions how Paulsen's stupidity in leaving them behind at the last jump point left it open to attack right before he torpedoed it:)
 
Originally posted by Chameleon102
True, Tolwyn had the full and offical backing of the Confederation at that point. Blair was the outlaw.

So, technically, since the Vesuvius wasn't present at any illegal activity (except the Axius station. which was explained away easily enough), it should have had enough escorts to turn the Intrepid into dust.
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Tolwyn had the full backing of the Confederation to *investigate* the tensions on the frontier and to bring them to an end, not to add to those tensions by helping destroy convoys and bombing civilians, which what the boys at Axius were doing. The whole thing depended on secrecy, which means that any escort that wasn't staffed entirely by project personell was a security risk. That would have been a much greater risk to Tolwyn's plans than anything the Border Worlders could have done. Or so he imagined... :D

Best, Raptor
 
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