To Kill a Hakaga...

Note that medicine has improved by the 27th century, too - Kevin Tolwyn is badly irradiated (400 rem) in Fleet Action but is treated with 'anti radiation' medicine.
 
Ummm... I seem to be hopelessly late to join the discussion,
but... what was design of Hakaga? Didn't they have a fly-through flight-deck?
Vesuvius WAS tough, but it was easy to kill from inside with the simplest dumbfires...
 
Fly-through decks are something of a misconception - a pilot can theoretically 'fly' into the deck of any ship. It's a gameplay mechanic more than it is something that a pilot in the Wing Commander universe might point out existing. The Hakaga did *not* have single decks with two openings like the Yorktown and Concordia-classes, though - in fact, it had a number of separate individual decks that were specially sealed to avoid damaging one another in an attack.
 
Jason_Ryock said:
Fallout isn't created by the detonation of a nuclear device. Fallout is created when the radiation from the explosion attaches itself to the particles in the ground and air around it when the bomb goes off.

All though Space is not a "True" vacuum in the sense that there are particles out there, the amount of items in the vacuum would not be high enough to create fallout great enough to kill someone.

I think what you meant to say was that you would get an oversized dose of radiation, not affected by the fallout.
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I was thinking about the small particles of the capship or instillation that would get irrateated and break apart after detonation. Not to mention any fighters that were too close to the blast. Some of the particles would probably settle on your ship, which would be heavily damaged (assuming it survived) and the radiation would probably leak though the remaining haul. Although I'm not sure how radiation resistant the pilots flightsuits are.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Fly-through decks are something of a misconception - a pilot can theoretically 'fly' into the deck of any ship. It's a gameplay mechanic more than it is something that a pilot in the Wing Commander universe might point out existing. The Hakaga did *not* have single decks with two openings like the Yorktown and Concordia-classes, though - in fact, it had a number of separate individual decks that were specially sealed to avoid damaging one another in an attack.
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I thought the definition of a "fly-through" deck was the sort of thing we see on Victory: openings at both ends where one can, well, "fly through."
 
I believe LOAF is stating that the novelty of such an idea simply does not exist in the 27th century, as all carriers have launch and recovery decks that pilots could fly into. Just with the Yorktown and Concordia classes, these were integrated into one long deck that spanned the entire length of the ship.

The novelty was for the player who could finally navigate over, under, around and even THROUGH the ship in full 3d.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
I can't disagree about Bear, but it's definately how he was set up - Tolwyn *loves* the guy the minute he shows up in Special Operations 1.
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And this love even continues in Kevin after the initial strike at Vukar Tag and Kevin failed to protect a wounded Sabre and as a result Jim Conklin was killed. The mancrush reaches its apex during False Colors where it's hard to tell who loves Bear more Geoffry or Kevin.
 
I believe LOAF is stating that the novelty of such an idea simply does not exist in the 27th century, as all carriers have launch and recovery decks that pilots could fly into. Just with the Yorktown and Concordia classes, these were integrated into one long deck that spanned the entire length of the ship.

The novelty was for the player who could finally navigate over, under, around and even THROUGH the ship in full 3d.
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Exactly -- 'ohmygosh, X ship has a FLY THROUGH DECK' is something *we* react to... but you won't find it mentioned in the continuity any more than you would Casey marveling at how much the 3Dfx card helps him see nebulas. It's *not* a particular new type of ship design that reacts to or avoids some particular kind of Kilrathi tactic.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Exactly -- 'ohmygosh, X ship has a FLY THROUGH DECK' is something *we* react to... but you won't find it mentioned in the continuity any more than you would Casey marveling at how much the 3Dfx card helps him see nebulas. It's *not* a particular new type of ship design that reacts to or avoids some particular kind of Kilrathi tactic.
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I think some people are probably reacting to it the same way people reacted to the first angled flight decks on modern day air craft carriers, it was a novel new design that changed the way flight operations were conducted.

What's interesting to me is that the logical behind having seperate launch and recovery decks is undeniably. A single crash on the deck of a ship with a "Fly Through" Bay could potential shut down landing and take off operations if it's secure enough. While the novelty of a fly through launch deck might let pilots say "Look! I can make another fly around if I have to!" that means that while they're flying through the bay launch efforts have to stop.

The whole concept behind the creation of the angled flight decks was to allow pilots to overshoot the runway without having to crash into a barrier net that potentially damaged planes and pilots. Fly though launch bays on a spaceship just don't make much sense when you realize they're a step backward in naval aviation operations.
 
I think some people are probably reacting to it the same way people reacted to the first angled flight decks on modern day air craft carriers, it was a novel new design that changed the way flight operations were conducted.
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Yes, that's clearly how people take it - but it's wrong. :) They're a non-linear design element - they appear on carriers from the ancient Yorktown-class to the new Vesuvius-class, with separate and shared decks appearing between (Bengal, Waterloo, Lexington) and after (Midway) these two.
 
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