The Lafong, Armstrong, Blair Connection.

frostytheplebe

frostytheplebe

Seventh Part of the Seal
I recall a while back that there was some controversy about how these characters would be recorded in the database. I believe i left before I got the chance to see what had happened, could someone please let me know if it was decided to make them separate characters or references to the same ones.
 
You should really use the "search" function. Many of the questions you've asked have been addressed before. There are some real gems lying around in old threads.
 
While the question has been broached before, I'm not sure it was stated specifically how we would address this in the encyclopedia. I think to start with it's possible to create separate entries for LaFong... Armstrong less so. We *know* that the intent is that Super Wing Commander is a remake of WC1, which had a nameless pilot. Here's LOAF's original entry on the subject:

Bandit LOAF]For the last several days I've been doing prep work for the necessary 'timeline' to get started on the Wingkipedia's Wing Commander I section. That means working closely with the Ultimate Strategy Guide to Wing Commander I & II. It's a necessary said:
here[/URL]. I don't think any real consensus was met other than that LaFong and Blair can't be the same person.

Dundradal said:
You should really use the "search" function. Many of the questions you've asked have been addressed before. There are some real gems lying around in old threads.
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And second... "use the search function" is just as lazy a reply, which does nothing to engender the community spirit needed to make this project work.
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There's a few bits in the book besides the missions you can't really attribute to LaFong without him being Blair though, like the start of Wing Commander 2 off the top of my head since what happens to him is basically the exact same thing that happens to Blair. So it's not that clear cut.

I'm in agreement that LaFong and Blair should be treated as two different people though.
 
This seems like the perfect place to ask another question I've been having about the WC1 era- I do believe from reading that skeleton timeline that Academy TV took place at the same time as at least part of WC1. Yet in WC1 I'm flying as a 2nd Lieutenant at LEAST, and in Academy Blair is a cadet, simultaneously. Did I read something wrong, or what's the reconciliation here?
 
Max Gene said:
This seems like the perfect place to ask another question I've been having about the WC1 era- I do believe from reading that skeleton timeline that Academy TV took place at the same time as at least part of WC1. Yet in WC1 I'm flying as a 2nd Lieutenant at LEAST, and in Academy Blair is a cadet, simultaneously. Did I read something wrong, or what's the reconciliation here?
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Blair is not a cadet in WCacademy. It's more or less officer training. You actually see 2nd Lieutenant on the door for their quarters in at least one episode.
 
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Blair is not a cadet in WCacademy. It's more or less officer training. You actually see 2nd Lieutenant on the door for their quarters in at least one episode.
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Admiral Tolwyn said:
Cadets Blair, Marshal, Bryce...
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Continuity error, then? And for that matter, where's all his normal wingmen?
 
frostytheplebe said:
And how come he and Maniac have no idea where the briefing room is?
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Actually, this brings up a question of mine. IIRC, we don't see Halcyon on board in Academy TV. Do we know, though, if Tolwyn was indeed supposed to be aboard the Tiger's Claw while Blair was on it during WC1? I just can't remember and don't have access to my references from here... :(
 
ELTEE said:
Actually, this brings up a question of mine. IIRC, we don't see Halcyon on board in Academy TV. Do we know, though, if Tolwyn was indeed supposed to be aboard the Tiger's Claw while Blair was on it during WC1? I just can't remember and don't have access to my references from here... :(
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I thought Tolwyn would have been on the Austin at this point?
 
For that matter, Maniac is really excited for his first crack at Kilrathi vessels bigger than fighters, yet he helped take care of a transport in his first sortie in a real fighter...
 
Blair is not a cadet in WCacademy. It's more or less officer training. You actually see 2nd Lieutenant on the door for their quarters in at least one episode.
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This should be highlighted. It's a bit odd: the background concept is that this is a group of twelve (I think?) promising pilots who are attending a special command school which is actually called the 'Wing Commander Academy'. They've already graduated from the TCSNA at Hilthros, been commissioned as Second Lieutenants and as you can see they begin the show in the last days of flight school on Sirius. Stranger still, this isn't a retcon on the part of the fanbase to explain oddities -- it appears in the background/press materials and is referenced on the show itself... it's just never explicitly stated in an episode.

Continuity error, then? And for that matter, where's all his normal wingmen?
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The original concept was that the Tiger's Claw's ordinary complement was transferred off after suffering heavy losses in battle -- but I'm not sure this ever made it anywhere 'canonical'. Veterans would come back for the second season, when the 'Claw would return to the front lines for larger stories. (Something of that survives in the existing episodes -- a group of veteran pilots is transferred onboard midway through the series, after the Trafalgar is destroyed.)

Short answer - they're around, just not part of the command school squadron.

And how come he and Maniac have no idea where the briefing room is?
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It was their "first few weeks on a carrier". Star*Soldier has since given us specific dates for the Wing Commander Academy episodes.


For that matter, Maniac is really excited for his first crack at Kilrathi vessels bigger than fighters, yet he helped take care of a transport in his first sortie in a real fighter...
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I think you're misremembering Wing Commander I - there's nothing about Maniac being excited because it's the *first* time he's had a shot at a larger ship. Maniac's dialogue: "Bossman says we're gonna see some action against some battleships soon. I can't wait... Dodging flak and fighter cover to make a missile run at a destroyer... Man, that'll be a rush. Get in there quick, waste the mama cat... ...then pick the kittens off one by one. That's the way to do it."

Also, the ship destroyed in the first episode of Academy was a blockade runner (per the pilot analyses by Blair and Maniac's flight instructor in The Confederation Handbook). (And either way, there's a big difference between a support ship and a ship of the line...)
 
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