The evolution of confederation capital ships

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My query revolves around the confederation's fleet of capital ships in WC1 and WC2. In WC1 there are three basic capital ships-the Tiger's Claw strike carrier, the Exeter destroyer, and the Drayman transport. Now the Claw and the Drayman are pretty well represented in the game. Yet, the Exeter seems to be a fat pig that for all its weaponry seems unable to defend itself. The Diligent and the Venture are one off ships that i only saw once each and i wonder what role they play. In WC2 which i am not totally familiar with there seems to have been an evolution in capship design for Confed. The Waterloo cruiser and the Gilgamesh destroyer exists along with the Concordia dreadnought. Now do they both fulfill similar roles or is the Waterloo a different beast altogether
 
The Waterloo-class cruiser is comparable to the Venture-class corvette from the first game in the fact that they're both rarely seen. The Gilgamesh-class destroyers are everywhere. The Concordia usually has one escorting her and you frequently escort them around to bash other capital ships.
 
The Venture-class Corvette is, in WC1 terms, a compromise between a heavy bomber and a destroyer with the firepower of the bomber with the lack of maneuverability of a destroyer. ;) The only reason it's made really is because it is THE smallest capital ship you can send out that's a capital ship in WC1 terms, yet it's small and wimpy enough to be cheaply made and thus can be placed where you want some sort of Confederation presence without assigning one of your more valuable and useful capships to there.

The Diligent was converted Drayman-class transport, IIRC. It's just a transport which had some important plans which had to be recaptured or destroyed.

And the Exeter in WC1 is a destroyer - it's not meant to go up against fighters, which can chop it to pieces because it can't defend itself adequately. It's meant to go up against other capships - other destroyers, cruisers, etc.

And as for WC2...

Your Gilgamesh destroyer is an evolution of the basic design philosophy that guided the Exeter-class series' construction: fast for a capship, meant to go after other capships. Depends on fighter escorts from someone else.

Waterloo - different role from the Gilgamesh, meant to be a Heavy Cruiser which could defend itself with its own fighters, yet also have serious firepower to direct against other capships... having four AMGs to the 2 that the Gilgamesh carries. Yet far, far more expensive than the Gilgamesh, for the extra resource expenditures building a ship that can fight with both fighters and guns takes. The Gilgamesh is cheaper, which means you can put out more of them to cover more systems.
 
Originally posted by Haesslich
The Venture-class Corvette is, in WC1 terms, a compromise between a heavy bomber and a destroyer with the firepower of the bomber with the lack of maneuverability of a destroyer.
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That's what I liked least about corvettes... unless they're the enemy's. :)

Originally posted by Haesslich
The Diligent was converted Drayman-class transport, IIRC.
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It's a tanker.

Originally posted by Darkmage
The Waterloo is a cross between a light carrier and a destroyer.
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It's a cruiser. Many cruisers are able to carry a few fighters in the WCU. Plunketts and Hades included.
 
These ships aren't evolutions of eachother, though -- GIlgameshes and Waterloos were around during WC1...
 
Yeah , Loaf is right.You may see in the Wc1 game these cap ships,but that doesnt mean that there are not others around.
Waterloo and other capships of wc2 are in the same period of time with the Bengals and the exters in Wc1.

There are even other capships during that period ,that are not seen in games.

Someting else now.About the Engines and guns in the WC3 capships.Its a different tech from these in Wc2.The Fighters too.Im just curious ,where did they get the time to upgrade them so much?

Maybe during the fake peace offered by Kilrathi?
 
Then that doesnt make any sence.The Wc3 ships/Capships/guns/shield/decoys are way more advanced than these from wc2 and they have 2 years difference in time.

I thought that the Kilrathi and Confed starting an upgrade during this "peace" cause the Kilrathi had that plan to attack later and the Confed had doubts about the "peace" from the Kilrathi.

Well maybe they called all the forces from the front lines back , but I dont think they dismantled their fleet....:p
 
Sorry, not dismantling, they were mothballing them - shutting down engine cores, etc.

The huge difference in stats between WC2 and WC3 ships is largely due to changes in measurement. I think. There's been endless debates on this.
 
Yes , you are right . We should close this subject then......
Ill just search the old forums.

-My fist thread was about wc2/wc3 ships:D Ill go and find it again.-
 
Originally posted by Wedge009

The huge difference in stats between WC2 and WC3 ships is largely due to changes in measurement. I think. There's been endless debates on this.
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I think you're confused. Armour is being made out of a stronger material by WC3. The guns, in the manual, are being measured in damage points, as mentioned at the begining of the stats section. These points are equal to 0.1 cm (durasteel equiv.) worth of armour. Shields have, apparantly, just gotten better.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
These ships aren't evolutions of eachother, though -- GIlgameshes and Waterloos were around during WC1...
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My mistake. I keep thinking of the ships in the next game as being 'newer' than the ones in the game before, despite the corrections made.
 
Originally posted by TC


I think you're confused. Armour is being made out of a stronger material by WC3. The guns, in the manual, are being measured in damage points, as mentioned at the begining of the stats section. These points are equal to 0.1 cm (durasteel equiv.) worth of armour. Shields have, apparantly, just gotten better.
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and you can bash 'em with guns.
 
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