That Hobbes thing.

True perhaps but honor entails more of willing to sacrafice ones life for the preservation of the honor of you people and yourself. Thus to surrender your people is dishonoring them as well as yourself even if it saves them from anihilation. the Hari were ultimately Honorable choosing suicide rather than defeat.
 
No that is the honor of a warrior, there are personal racial and warrior codes of honor. The honor i mentioned is the only one that is constant and that is the code of honor of a warrior which is death before dishonor, a thing that the Hari showed. and that surrender is also dishonorable. In mexico the French Foriegn legioned showed that when the only 4 remaining members of a 200 man unit were out of ammo and charged a group of 1000 mexicans getting themselves killed but ultimately expressing honor. The men at the alamo, the british members of the light brigade who charged knowing full well that they would die but did it anyway because not to do it would be dishonorable, the kamakazi pilots who saccraficed their lives purposely in an attempt to save the lives of their countrymen and bring about a victory were honorable. Melek who surrendered did not have the Warrior's Honor. What he did have was racial honor, that of putting the good of the race ahead of his own personal honor. He sacraficed his personal honor by surrendering but in the process saved his race and thus acted for the honor of his people.
 
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