Post WC4 Fleet info

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wcruggerdude

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Hey everyone I am bored at home on my summer off and I was thinking of writing a WC fanfic type story...Pretty big too but I need help. I have many of the idea around the plot and characters and what will happen but what I really could use is info on the TC navy after WC4. My story is going to be based about 1 year after WC4 and go in a different direction than Prophesy. I could really use info about the Fleets that Confed would have had then and what Carriers they had and a rough guess on how many fighters/Destroyers/Cruisers, and major bases Confed had. Any and all info would be much appreciated and I could always use inpute and advise as I go, so if you want to help let me know
 
Well, to my knowledge most of what they used was still WC3 era technology - much of it was quite new at the time and is still quite viable. The Border Worlds had some older craft and the Black Lance wickedly sick technology, but the Confederation itself seemed to retain most of it's fleet. Concordia-class carriers as their primary carrier, Tallahasee(sp) heavy cruisers, and Sheffield destroyers. Not to mention many of the older ships acting in reserve, and probably some others that aren't directly mentioned but could exist. In that way you have some freedom; just because we haven't heard of it doesn't that it doesn't exist. Just don't abuse the power and make up an AMG that fires two-hundred shots per second.

edit: WCIV was only a few years after Heart of the Tiger, so yeah, pretty much everything should be the same.
 
Thanks

I figured on them still using WCIV technology. Im more looking at info like how many carriers confed had, how many destroyers, what fleets were there and where were the fleets based. As for the freedom for ships I kinda am going in that direction. In fact the main ship the story is based on is a New Dreadnaught design originally intended to be for controling Kilrathi space, and wining a slugfest with a Kiltrathi Dreadnaught. Its really interesting, and of course since it is before Prophesy some favorite characters should make an appearance.

I could always use some major help and advice so please help me out.
 
wcruggerdude said:
I figured on them still using WCIV technology. Im more looking at info like how many carriers confed had, how many destroyers, what fleets were there and where were the fleets based. As for the freedom for ships I kinda am going in that direction. In fact the main ship the story is based on is a New Dreadnaught design originally intended to be for controling Kilrathi space, and wining a slugfest with a Kiltrathi Dreadnaught. Its really interesting, and of course since it is before Prophesy some favorite characters should make an appearance.

I could always use some major help and advice so please help me out.
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Only thing I would want to say is that Confed basically abandoned heavy dreadnaught construction following McAuliffe. The Concordia is really a mix of the two types (heavy hitting with fighters). Confed wouldn't build a ship that could go toe to toe with a kat dreadnaught simply because they don't (normally, behemoth aside) build massive ships for fights of the line. Also, what kind of vessel would you have that can go against a kat dreadnaught without becoming uber fanboyish? (Although if you are already considering such a design I would say scratch it and think of something a bit less) Reading about a 23 km Confed dreadnaught going against a 22km kat dreadnaught IMO doesn't make for a good story and post FC/WC4 kat dreadnaughts aren't exactly everywhere. We know of one's positive location (Vorgath) and that's it.

The Panama War Games and the attack at McAuliffe was the opening stroke in the age of the space carrier. The few heavy battlewagons we hear about in AS don't get any new friends as the war goes on. Carriers and smaller ships of the line become the primary vehicles of the war.

As it being post-WC4, Confed doesn't have the same war-time size fleet. We see cutbacks in WC4 and there is no reason to assume they would not continue as more and more time passed. The WC4 novel mentions that carriers are precious (IIRC the Lexington was the only carrier in it's respective fleet??) as most have probably been put into mothballs or scrapped. I'm sure someone else can give you fleet names and locations but as for # of active vessels...even post-war it's still going to be probably around a thousand active vessels of all classes...
 
The Lexington as the last ship of its kind? I find that extremely unlikely. First off, the game is more or less official backstory, and the bok deviated a fair ways from the game. If it wasn't mentioned in the game Price of Freedom, i'd take it with a grain of salt.

Secondly, the Concordia-class carriers were the mainstay fleet carriers for a long time. They had the Confederation dreadnoughts and the Bengal-class carriers, but both were ultimately retired. As I said, we can safely assume the presence of other designs, but in official terms the Concordia-class has been through it all. I find it unlikely that in four years they've built enough of some other class to almost completely replace the Concordia fleet.

Also, it's possible that the Vesuvius super-carriers are in part intended to replace a good portion of the mainstay fleet carriers, or supplement them as flagships or stand-alone special ops ships, but given that they're over twice the size and probably cost over twice as much to build as a fleet-carrier, and probably have a build time far greater as well, they'd never fully replace them. In an emergency were a bunch of them were destroyed, you'd be hard pressed to rebuild them all.
 
The Panama War Games and the attack at McAuliffe was the opening stroke in the age of the space carrier. The few heavy battlewagons we hear about in AS don't get any new friends as the war goes on. Carriers and smaller ships of the line become the primary vehicles of the war.
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I would argue that this isn't entirely true - we still have massive Concordia and Gettysburg class super/cruisers being built during the war.

The Lexington as the last ship of its kind? I find that extremely unlikely. First off, the game is more or less official backstory, and the bok deviated a fair ways from the game. If it wasn't mentioned in the game Price of Freedom, i'd take it with a grain of salt.
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The book doesn't say anything like that. The Lexington is simply the only fleet carrier assigned to the Third Fleet -- heck, we see a second one in both the novelization and in the game (the Princeton).

Secondly, the Concordia-class carriers were the mainstay fleet carriers for a long time. They had the Confederation dreadnoughts and the Bengal-class carriers, but both were ultimately retired.
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We don't know they were actually retired - simply that they're not being built anymore. We see both classes of ships in service towards the end of the war.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
I would argue that this isn't entirely true - we still have massive Concordia and Gettysburg class super/cruisers being built during the war.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the pure battlewagons like the Yorkshire and Malta we hear about in AS, but I see your point.


The book doesn't say anything like that. The Lexington is simply the only fleet carrier assigned to the Third Fleet -- heck, we see a second one in both the novelization and in the game (the Princeton).
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Yeah, either did I. I was wondering where that idea came from. I was expressing the same idea, that the Lex is the only active carrier in its respective fleet.
 
Yea Thanks everyone. This really helps me out. My original plan for the ship I was gonna put in isnt a huge battlewagon but is actually only 4,000meters long but carries like 200 fighters, and its real power were going to lie in its shields and its offensive weapons with updated Cap-ship missiles and AMG.

As for the rest of the fleet does 2-3 Vesuvius Carriers and like 9-10 Concordia Carriers sound about right along with Im going to guess like a couple hundred cruisers and destroyers?
 
Depending how far after wc4 you are aiming for it would be 1 for some period of time. You should check out this list LOAF put together to see what ships were in service...
 
Hmm... it might work. Out of curiosity, is it supposed to be like some sort of competitive/contemporary design to the Midway, or is this completely unrelated? Just curious.

By the way... 4,000 meters is mighty dang bang by WC standards. The Vesuvius (Vesuvii?) are about 1600 meters long, and the Midway isn't much larger. The Behemoth is around 8,000 meters last I checked, and I thought the H'varkann series were supposed to be about 22,000 meters each. On average, the size for a fully-fledged fleet carrier is, oh... 800 meters. In that range. 4,000 is huge.
 
Crazy J said:
Hmm... it might work. Out of curiosity, is it supposed to be like some sort of competitive/contemporary design to the Midway, or is this completely unrelated? Just curious
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If you're talking about the Vesuvius then the Midway came far too much later to be a "competitive" design.
 
Crazy J said:
4,000 is huge.
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Agreed.

Did you even think how far 4 kilometres is to look on the horizon? It's four klicks from my house to university and if I saw a ship THAT long i'd be afraid of it.

edit: you realise that's 2 1/2 miles long right? crazy...
 
Lt.Death100 said:
If you're talking about the Vesuvius then the Midway came far too much later to be a "competitive" design.
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That and the fact that everything we hear about the Midway makes that theory invalid.

We know for a fact, that the TCS Midway is a new idea, that was sort of thought up by Commodore Blair ((Zero's line when you meet Dallas)). Also the Midway was purpose built for it's role as it is very different from any carrier in the Navy. We learn that from the ICIS Manual. I mean it's pretty obvious that the two weren't a competitive design. The Midway is just a different type of ship entirely.
 
I guess it is a little big...The whole theory of this ship class (Not sure on a name yet too) is that was purposed right after WC4 and the Black Lance to increase Confed's ability to Garrison and control the frontier and Kilrathi space.

The way I saw it was that the Vesuvius is a pure Warship and designed to deliver overwelming force, great for Combat, and the Fleet Carriers just dont have the power. This new ship I came up with wouldn't be so much like the Midway, but designed to be able to go out into Kilrathi space and wherever on its own with little or no support and conduct Patrols or whatever mission for months maybe even a year. Kinda like a Tougher more powerful Lexington.. Also the reason for it being very large is that its Main weaponry is around 30-40 Capship Missiles in launch tubes like on modern Submarines.

Oh and the Captain of this tub is either going to be Col. Blair or........................ Hawk. What do you think???

Should I scrap it or keep with it or what.....Imput always desired, and LOAF I trust you to give an honest opinion so rip into me if you want
 
wcruggerdude said:
The way I saw it was that the Vesuvius is a pure Warship and designed to deliver overwelming force, great for Combat, and the Fleet Carriers just dont have the power. This new ship I came up with wouldn't be so much like the Midway, but designed to be able to go out into Kilrathi space and wherever on its own with little or no support and conduct Patrols or whatever mission for months maybe even a year. Kinda like a Tougher more powerful Lexington.. Also the reason for it being very large is that its Main weaponry is around 30-40 Capship Missiles in launch tubes like on modern Submarines.
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What you're describing is pretty much what the Midway is, except twice as big (and with less fighters somehow). As others have mentioned, the Midway is said to be a departure from previous designs, which pretty much keeps your ship from having existed. Not only is there no reason to have 40 capship missile launchers, there's also no reason why 40 capship missile launchers would make this ship so huge. If you're talking about 40 regular missile launchers, we see this on <800 meter ship designs without a problem.

wcruggerdude said:
Oh and the Captain of this tub is either going to be Col. Blair or........................ Hawk. What do you think???
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Sounds pretty tacky.
 
Just seems like it lacks vision. Why don't you try a new approach where bigger isn't necessarily better? The TCS Victory was a good example of a POS ship that did wonders. Or you could take a converted cruiser, but it woudln't be able to hold many fighters.
 
Ehh well thats why I came on here...to put my ideas to other WC fans and see what they thought and If i was just crazy or actually some good ideas. Any more advice will be much appreciated.
 
Perhaps you could do something with a Plunkett-class cruiser. That should be a sufficiently gun-heavy ship, and IIRC there isn't a lot of info about it beyond the given ship stats.
 
t.c.cgi said:
Perhaps you could do something with a Plunkett-class cruiser. That should be a sufficiently gun-heavy ship, and IIRC there isn't a lot of info about it beyond the given ship stats.
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~~~ you mean aside from the fact that, with the way WCP phase shielding worked, the plunkett was nothing more than a pretty target?
 
Yeah - the Plunkett-class should have been able to last a lot longer in the game. Who in their right mind would make a glass cannon like that? A ship of that size and design should be able to last longer than that. But, look at it this way - it could have been worse
 
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