Not-Quite-Urgent Iason Question?

Bob McDob

Bob McDob

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Does anybody have the stuff on the second Iasonattack in the WCM Handbook? You know, date, rundown, stuff. I don't want this to become drawn out, I just need it for a project. Then we can delete the thread and pretend nothing ever happened :)

Anyone?
 
From the Confederation Handbook

Summary: At 0450 hours on 2638.229, Iason made visual contact with three Kilrathi B'ru'k-class merchantmen. For approximately five hours the Iason attempted to establish communication with the alien vessels, with no response. During this time the Iason maintained a continuous data-stream transmission to CN HQ. About 1000 hours Kilrathi ships opened fire without warning, destroying the Iason's offensive, defensive, drive and life-support capabilities.

Theres a much more detailed report of what happened from hour to hour but its long and I dont feel like typing it up.

Other important info.

Captained by Commander Jedora Andropolos
At the time, the ships were unknown and were later identified as Kilrathi.
 
Originally posted by Supdon3
From the Confederation Handbook

Summary: At 0450 hours on 2638.229, Iason made visual contact with three Kilrathi B'ru'k-class merchantmen. For approximately five hours the Iason attempted to establish communication with the alien vessels, with no response. During this time the Iason maintained a continuous data-stream transmission to CN HQ. About 1000 hours Kilrathi ships opened fire without warning, destroying the Iason's offensive, defensive, drive and life-support capabilities.

Captained by Commander Jedora Andropolos
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Forgive my possible ignorance, but what do you mean "SECOND" attack on the Iason?... According to the timeline in WC3 manual ("Victory Streak"), the Iason was COMPLETELY destroyed the FIRST time...thus, how can there have even been a "second" attack? (unless years later, there was a second ship christened the "Iason"; and even THEN, it wouldn't have been skippered by a Jedora Andropolous, since he was too busy being dead at the time!... :D )

Secondly, the year of that "first" incident was 2628 or 2629; it was said to be the FIRST contact our race had w/ the Kilrathi, and it began ~5 years of increasing kitty incursions. Then, ~2634, we finally declared war on their furry butts. Maybe this is a typo, and you meant to say "2628" in your summary?...

Thirdly, from what I've read about the Confed handbook here in the CZ, it's really not a very well-written or accurate picture of WC "canon", so maybe the prob lies with the book itself?...
 
There were supposedly TWO Iason incidents. The first was the one stated in Victory Streak and the second from the Movie. Same ship name, same captain name... two different incidents though. Paladin was on the Iason during the film's incident.

BTW, anything printed in a published WC book, is automaticly canon. No ifs, ands or buts.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


It does not say that.
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At 0450 hours on .229, automatic scanners recorded three unknown objects moving at a high rate of speed on a non-orbital trajectory, at a range of 97,000 kilometers. At 0512 hours objects altered course to intercept vector with Iason. By this point scans had already confirmed that the objects were pressurized, manufactured, self-propelled craft of unknown origin. Upon being notified of the apporaching ships, Captain Andropolos ordered full sheilds and readiness standby level 2.

At 0527 unknown craft entered visual range, and the captain ordered continuous wide-band scanning combined with a continous real-time telemetry stream to HQ. Based on scans and images, craft have since been identified as Kilrathi B'ru'k-class light freighters, armed with heavy mass drivers and anti-ship missiles.
 
There was a thread about this a while back. (One that led to a rather large argument, as I recall.) It probably has all of this information and more.
 
Since we can't search for threads anymore, I would expect lots of topics arleady covered in previous threads to come back...
 
Originally posted by mpanty
Since we can't search for threads anymore, I would expect lots of topics arleady covered in previous threads to come back...
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Hehe. Every topic ends up coming back, anyway. Even the stupid ones. You should know that by now.
 
Originally posted by LeHah
There were supposedly TWO Iason incidents. The first was the one stated in Victory Streak and the second from the Movie. Same ship name, same captain name... two different incidents though. Paladin was on the Iason during the film's incident.

BTW, anything printed in a published WC book, is automaticly canon. No ifs, ands or buts.
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I rest my case...we have here a media dichotomy: a single event is treated by 2 different media (the WC games, and then the WC movie/WC Handbook) as if it were 2 separate (yet "astonishingly similar") events... This is stupid. Same ship name, same captain name, 2 separate incidents--what're the odds?... :rolleyes:

I reject the notion (as I'm sure many of you do) that WC book events are, de facto, "canon": To whit, where they conflict with events in the games, the games' account of events should be taken as gospel (esp. when the "book" referred to is the "WC Handbook"--panned by many fans as a lame, slapdash attempt to capitalize on the movie, and rife with errors and hack writing by author who haven't done their homework. At least if it were a WC novel, there'd be a slight basis to sustain your claim).

What's more, since the WC Hdbk was based on the WCM, which IN TURN is based on the games, you're taking a third hand source of info and deeming it to be as accurate as the original source... (Ironically, the only place in literature, history, or reportage where this is true is with the ancient manuscripts from which we get the Bible!). What a bunch of dreck.

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear other CZ'ers opinions on this.
Anyone?...
 
Wow... the Confed Handbook is suprisingly well put together, though... It, along with the movie novel, fixes and clarifies some things that would otherwise be problems. The research was also done in a rather good manner so that it pretty much fits in with the movie and the games.

TC
 
Originally posted by TC
Wow... It, along with the movie novel, fixes and clarifies some things that would otherwise be problems. The research was also done in a rather good manner so that it pretty much fits in with the movie and the games.

TC
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1) "Some" things is the operative term...

2) "Pretty much fits in", except in (at least) this instance...

3) The one WC book I don't intend to buy is the WC Hdbk, and the reason is because I've read so much negative reviews of it from other CZ'ers that I don't dare waste my time & money trying to find it or buy it.
 
Nothing fits in with anything perfectly, even in reality. Look at history, things that obviously happened, you aren't going to find a huge amount of things that aren't argued about.

Also, how can you judge a book if you've never read it?

TC
 
I'm trying to cross Victory Streak with the Confederation Handbook to see how they fit in, respectivly.

The reason truth is so much stranger than fiction is that there is no requirement for it to be consistant MARK TWAIN

I still believe the Confed Handbook wasn't put together with the explicit purpose of meshing perfectly with WC canon...
 
Of course not, it was put together with the intention of expanding on things found in the movie as well as connecting to past WC. Its a product of the movie.
 
Preacher, we've debated 'canonity' (is that a word?) for dozens of threads, and while officially, all WC products are deemed canon, fitting everything together - at least in my mind - is quite a challenge. But it is unncessary. Just enjoy the WCU for what it is!
 
Originally posted by Preacher
I've read so much negative reviews of it from other CZ'ers that I don't dare waste my time & money trying to find it or buy it.
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A CZer's opinion is, in most cases, a pretty lame yardstick by which to measure quality.
 
Originally posted by Bob McDob
I still believe the Confed Handbook wasn't put together with the explicit purpose of meshing perfectly with WC canon...
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*Nothing* was put together for the explicit purpose of meshing with WC canon. Products are sold to the masses, not to the six fans who care.
 
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