Mandarins

DyNaMiX said:
That brings up an interesting point. I haven't read the novels that tell the story about the battle of earth. So why did the Kilrathi lie and betray us? That seems very cowardice.
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So is hitting an entire unarmed planet w/ bioweapons... I think by the end of the war, the Kilrathi just wanted to exterminate humanity at any cost...
 
There are so many theories of what and why the Kilrathi act accordingly with the use of bioweapons, the use of the hidden fleet during the Battle of Terra, the Sivar dreadnaught and many other things. I sometimes think that they might be getting desperate as much as the Confederation was.
 
DyNaMiX said:
That brings up an interesting point. I haven't read the novels that tell the story about the battle of earth. So why did the Kilrathi lie and betray us? That seems very cowardice.
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As Kirha noted in the discussion at the Vacuum Breathers' Bar (IIRC on the bar name; the bar in which they ran into the blowhard professor), that humans agreed to stop fighting before one side had achieved a clear victory by defeating the other showed that they as a whole were without honor, which is pretty much carte blanc, to the Kilrathi, to do anything to those so accused.
 
Concerning Mandarins when I was recently going through the videos in WC4 I noticed something weird. In one of the losing videos where Blair is apprehended by Confed, Paulsen says they never had to deal with traitors during the Kilrahti war.
 
The interesting is that THrakath's lust for victory agains the confed drove him into employing methods that wouldn't be approved by the kiralthi honor. Hobbes, for instance. And Jazz.

But The False Peace is a different matter. The kilrathi baited the humans. They fell for it, therefore losing all respect they previously had. Such a low race does not deserve the priviledge of honor.
 
IMO, the Kilrathi(at least some of them) also seemed to be smartening up. They did their best to be honorable, but they realized that it would hurt them in certain situations. Such as the false truce. In Fleet Action's prologue, all Kilrathi present at the meeting were opposed to the truce. However, they knew that without it, they ran the risk of losing the war. The truce, while distasteful for them, gave them time to regain their footing so to speak.
 
Edfilho said:
The interesting is that THrakath's lust for victory agains the confed drove him into employing methods that wouldn't be approved by the kiralthi honor. Hobbes, for instance. And Jazz.
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The impression we're given is that Kilrathi honour is flexible enough to handle such methods.
 
Well, Tolwyn says Confed was not officially at war with the Kilrathi, and the intro of the WCM movie says they were. Just ignore such things.
 
I always thought that most Kilrathi thought of the truce as a neccesary step in pleasing Sivar, i.e. accept the temporary dishonour of peace in return for the chance to subdue confed and win greater honour through dominating humanity
 
Well, Tolwyn says Confed was not officially at war with the Kilrathi, and the intro of the WCM movie says they were. Just ignore such things.
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Implying that this is some kind of movie issue is silly -- half a dozen sources talk about declaring war on the Kilrathi.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Implying that this is some kind of movie issue is silly -- half a dozen sources talk about declaring war on the Kilrathi.
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I was implying to pay no attention to such small details, actually.
 
No, that's what you were *saying*. In so doing, you *implied* that this was a problem that involved the movie.
 
No, I didn't, because I know that we were at war with the Kilrathi. If anything was wrong, it was WCIV. But no, I think Tolwyn was just not making much sense because, you know, he was arrested. It was empty rethoric.

Same with that Paulsen saying they didn't have traitors on the Kilrathi war. Of course they did.
 
No, I didn't, because I know that we were at war with the Kilrathi. If anything was wrong, it was WCIV.
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Yes, I'm not disputing this... in fact, it i's exactly what I pointed out. I'm talking about what your post implied and not what you said or what you know.

But no, I think Tolwyn was just not making much sense because, you know, he was arrested. It was empty rethoric.

Same with that Paulsen saying they didn't have traitors on the Kilrathi war. Of course they did.
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Yes, I'm sure that when Tolwyn said that to Blair... in the Peleus System... he was just being craaazy because he was going to be arrested later in the game.

I would expect Delance of all people to be better at idealizing and intellectualizing Wing Commander IV to a crazy extent than this.
 
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