Looks better than a F/A-18!

Eder

Eder

Mr. Standoff
I think it does, anyway.

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Ok, now I only gotta texture the Drayman, model and texture the Waterloo, and decide wheter or not to include the Free Trader... Then I'll be done with the Confed craft!
Oh by the way there's some progress reports and misc notes on the mod, and the storyline, over at http://stallions.hypermart.net/wingcommander for whoever's interested. And as always, drop me a line if you have suggestions, questions or suggestions... some suggestions would be nice also! :-)

--Eder
 
I found a bit of a problem in your story:

You're using the Trafalgar as a place-holder for your carrier name. The Bengal-class TCS Trafalgar was destroyed in 2652 (Wing Commander Academy episode 6: Chain of Command).

Here, just for fun, are the names of all the Bengals I've seen:

Bengal (presumably this ship existed, as if it didn't, the class would be the Tiger's Claw class)
Tiger's Claw CVS-07 (Claw Marks)
Kipling (presumably CVS-08, as it immediately followed the Tiger's Claw) (Claw Marks)
Eagle's Talon (WC1&2 strategy guide)
Trafalgar (WCA6)
Wolfhound (End Run)
Kyoto (WC1)
Exeter (Super Wing Commander)
Beacontree (WC: Pilgrim Stars)

Nine ships is a pretty impressive production run for a heavy capital ship like a carrier.

Personally, I think the Beacontree should have actually come between the Bengal and the Tiger's Claw, but my opinion counts for nothing against canon.
 
Great, I decided to post the name of the carrier in the news just to get this type of reply, thanks for commenting on that, Iceberg! :)

However, I screwed up in that last news update at my site... The ship I was referring to is actualy a Waterloo-class cruiser, not a "carrier", and just for reference, the story is set a little while before WC2, around 2663...

So, are there any other Trafalgars around at that time? Because if that's not the case, I'll just use that name anyway, since the Bengal-class carrier you mentioned is destroyed 10 years before my Waterloo-class cruiser shows up. (yeah, I suck at thinking of cool ship and character names :p)

--Eder
 
Well, there is a Fleet Carrier named Trafalgar in End Run, which is in 2667.

p.s. Eder, can I borrow your picture of that hornet?

Rafales aren't bad ships in the game Fleet Command, except for the problem that you French don't have any Ground Assault weapons!

[Edited by Sabre on 07-20-2001 at 14:16]
 
Originally posted by Sabre
p.s. Eder, can I borrow your picture of that hornet?
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What for? If you're gonna use it on a website or something, go ahead, just give credit to me somewhere in the page. If it's something else..... Well, let me know what it's for first! :p

--Eder
PS: Ok, as of now, I'm accepting suggestions to name that cruiser! I give up trying to be creative :p
 
Eder, I gave you credit.

As for a name, how about the TCS Port Royal, it is a cruiser in the U.S. Navy.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
There was also a TCS Trafalgar on WCA, a Bengal strike carrier which was destroyed (2654).
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I based my destruction date for the Trafalgar on the assumption that WCA takes place a year or two before WC1.

The date on Blair's copy of "Claw Marks" in the WC1 package is 2654.094 (4 April). The WC movie begins on 15 March and ends on 17 March, and Blair and Maniac graduated from flight school in February (IIRC), so unless the entire WCA series took place in less than a month, the Trafalgar COULDN'T have been destroyed in 2654.
 
Hello first.

I've added a news @ http://www.wingcenter.de and i used this Picture.
Is it Okay?


Originally posted by Eder
Originally posted by Sabre
p.s. Eder, can I borrow your picture of that hornet?
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What for? If you're gonna use it on a website or something, go ahead, just give credit to me somewhere in the page. If it's something else..... Well, let me know what it's for first! :p

--Eder
PS: Ok, as of now, I'm accepting suggestions to name that cruiser! I give up trying to be creative :p
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Repeat after me: Free Traders...are...good...Free Traders...are...good...:)

Of course, you could always use the Cerebus model, flash it for one second from a confusing angle and say it's the FT. It worked in SM :D
 
Originally posted by Iceberg

I based my destruction date for the Trafalgar on the assumption that WCA takes place a year or two before WC1.

The date on Blair's copy of "Claw Marks" in the WC1 package is 2654.094 (4 April). The WC movie begins on 15 March and ends on 17 March, and Blair and Maniac graduated from flight school in February (IIRC), so unless the entire WCA series took place in less than a month, the Trafalgar COULDN'T have been destroyed in 2654.
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Wing Commander Academy takes place around the 2654 Sivar-Eshrad ceremony, though, which was on .148... remember that it is not the story of the Academy, but rather a special command school (literally the Wing Commander Academy, according to the press kit)...
 
Originally posted by NoRemorse
Yep, you're right, guy ! (even if I think our Rafale is the coolest plane on Earth... sorry)
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The one big advantage the Rafale has over other new fighter designs is that it can operate from regular runways and carriers. Resultantly Rafales *could* end up on the projected new Royal Navy carriers.
 
iceberg, loaf is always right, if he said it blew up then it did. as reagrds the bengal class mentioned earlier thats an interesting point, after all the claw marks informs us that the tigers claw is built first, but all class's are named after the first ship are they not?

so in that case both the bengal and the tigersclaw must be 10m longer than all other bengals, and the tigersclaw is not the longest in its class.
 
Originally posted by Obee
I've added a news @ http://www.wingcenter.de and i used this Picture.
Is it Okay?
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Sure it is, I like getting publicity :D
As long as there's a link to my site, or a mention of my name as the author of the ships in the screenshot, it's fine with me.
I just had some bad experiences back in my Jedi Knight editing days, that's why I ask for this, and it's also why I don't release my work before it's done, etc.

--Eder
 
Originally posted by Bob McDob
Free Traders...are...good...Free Traders...are...good...
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I agree entirely! The problem here is that I have too many things to do, and I don't want to delay this mod until next year, since by then I won't have nearly as much free time as I do now.

Even this morning I was considering contacting a friend of mine who does XWA Editing, and ask him to make the cutscenes (he's a simply wonderful cartoonist!) and the Kilrathi textures for me... but my friend probably doesn't have time to help me, I'm afraid :(

So I'm left with about 10 ships to texture, 6 or 7 to model, about 25 missions to program (which actually shouldn't be too time consuming), and (and this is the main problem): a lot of cutscenes to make...

What about the engine, you ask? Well, after I finally pick one engine to use, that shouldn't be too much of a problem. All of my ships can be exported to just about any 3D format with just some clicks, so this should be really easy... I just got to make sure I learn the engine's programming language quickly.... AND of course get some people to playtest the whole thing, because, ironically, I probably won't have time to do so myself! :rolleyes:

--Eder
 
Originally posted by Madman
iceberg, loaf is always right, if he said it blew up then it did. as reagrds the bengal class mentioned earlier thats an interesting point, after all the claw marks informs us that the tigers claw is built first, but all class's are named after the first ship are they not?

so in that case both the bengal and the tigersclaw must be 10m longer than all other bengals, and the tigersclaw is not the longest in its class.
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I somehow think that Chris Roberts wasn't particularly well-versed in naval tradition when he wrote the WC1 manual.

What I think is this:

TCS Bengal: Built to the original 625 meter plans
TCS Tiger's Claw: Built to 700-meter plans
TCS Kipling and subsequent Bengals: Built to 690 meter plans.

Any major problems with this?
 
I dont really see a problem. The Bengal class itself is supposedly very old, from before the war. With the war, an upgrade of the Bengal class lead to a new 75 meter longer version. After the Tiger's Claw the techniques and technologies that went into building it became more refined and they could build them ten meters shorter (though why they bother i dont know, maybe they didnt need a longer antenna someplace and it made the difference.
 
There's nothing new about adding improvements to a class of ships as time passes. For example the first Los Angeles class nuclear powered attack submarines didn't have vertical launch tubes for Tomahawk cruise missiles. Then the system was incorporated in later models. Alternatively you could read up on Russian ships. Their naval classes were continuously upgraded as new units were built.
 
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