Is Christopher Blair still enlisted in Border Worlds Navy at the end of WC4?

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Is there any documentation to say whether Blair is still working for the Border Worlds Navy at the end of WC4? Or is the Intrepid on load to the Terran Confederation Navy for training purposes? Just interested whether there is any supporting information?
 
Actually I believe Blair was reinstated and Confed siezed the Intrepid as it was supposedly illegal for the BWS to even HAVE a carrier.
 
I think the Intrepid was on loan for training as a good will measure between the two nations. I dont think it was illegal for the BW to have a carrier, they were a soveriegn nation at the end of WC4. The WCP manual has more info, cant find my copy atm.
 
Iceman16 said:
I think the Intrepid was on loan for training as a good will measure between the two nations. I dont think it was illegal for the BW to have a carrier, they were a soveriegn nation at the end of WC4. The WCP manual has more info, cant find my copy atm.
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It was my understanding that Confed viewed the Border Worlds the same way that the Union viewed the Confederate states. Confed didn't consider them Sovereign, which is probably why they still had bases in disputed BW territory. Plus if you think about it, the BW was part of Confed during the war, thier navy is kinda pathetic. The only assemblance we see of it, are a few trashy fighters that look like they were pulled off the scrapping line, two out of date destroyers (probably also pulled from the scrap heap) and converted into carriers. Two Tal class cruisers which when compared to the Waterloos are quite unimpressive, and I think they had a frigate or two... the most advanced ship they had to thier name was the TCS Princeton, a Concordia class carrier which they stole from Confed... I don't know how old Concordias are but they've been around for quite a while.

Besides, a loan doesn't make any sense. The BW only had two (maybe three, though we never see the Durango) carriers we know about. I doubt the BW was allowed to keep the Princeton. They couldn't afford to loan the Intrepid, Durango or the Tango out. Why would Confed NEED it anyway? If Confed needed a training carrier, they could have kept the Victory in service, or pulled something out of Mothball.
 
Blair does return to Confed post-UBW Conflict. That how he goes on to be a key part of the team for the Megacarrier project.

The UBW returned the Princeton after the conflict as well. We only know of two Durango carrier converts (Intrepid and Tango), so I'm not sure why you keep mentioning the Durango itself. Durango was the destroyer class that is the base of the conversion.
 
frostytheplebe said:
It was my understanding that Confed viewed the Border Worlds the same way that the Union viewed the Confederate states. Confed didn't consider them Sovereign, which is probably why they still had bases in disputed BW territory. Plus if you think about it, the BW was part of Confed during the war, thier navy is kinda pathetic. The only assemblance we see of it, are a few trashy fighters that look like they were pulled off the scrapping line, two out of date destroyers (probably also pulled from the scrap heap) and converted into carriers. Two Tal class cruisers which when compared to the Waterloos are quite unimpressive, and I think they had a frigate or two... the most advanced ship they had to thier name was the TCS Princeton, a Concordia class carrier which they stole from Confed... I don't know how old Concordias are but they've been around for quite a while.

Besides, a loan doesn't make any sense. The BW only had two (maybe three, though we never see the Durango) carriers we know about. I doubt the BW was allowed to keep the Princeton. They couldn't afford to loan the Intrepid, Durango or the Tango out. Why would Confed NEED it anyway? If Confed needed a training carrier, they could have kept the Victory in service, or pulled something out of Mothball.
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There were basically two schools of thought concerning the UBW pre-Black Lance affair. One said that it didn't matter whether or not the UBW planets had signed the Confederation charter because the original colonists were from Confed worlds, the other said that since the UBW planets had signed the Confederation charter they were independant.

My guess would be that the Black Lance Affair discredited the first school of thought and if I remember right when the senate voted to end the shadow war at the end of WCIV all Confed forces were ordered to withdraw from UBW territory.
 
You know what i always wondered, what was Landriech thinking at this point? Realistically, they were in similar shoes to the BW, so once Confed took out them, Landriech could feasably be next. I wonder who they would have sided with, if at all.
 
frostytheplebe said:
You know what i always wondered, what was Landriech thinking at this point? Realistically, they were in similar shoes to the BW, so once Confed took out them, Landriech could feasably be next. I wonder who they would have sided with, if at all.
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They had already long since established their independence from Confed. They also had just fought a war with Confed during 2671-72 that ended in a "strategic draw." They sided with the UBW per TPoF as they sold fighters and supplies to the UBW during their 2673 conflict with Confed. Kruger was still in power at this point, although he hold on his government had started to wain because of the 2671-72 conflict.
 
Dundradal said:
They had already long since established their independence from Confed. They also had just fought a war with Confed during 2671-72 that ended in a "strategic draw." They sided with the UBW per TPoF as they sold fighters and supplies to the UBW during their 2673 conflict with Confed. Kruger was still in power at this point, although he hold on his government had started to wain because of the 2671-72 conflict.
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Didn't Landriech also loan some of their Escort Carriers to the UBW fleet during TPoF?
 
Is there any documentation to say whether Blair is still working for the Border Worlds Navy at the end of WC4? Or is the Intrepid on load to the Terran Confederation Navy for training purposes? Just interested whether there is any supporting information?
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Blair returns to the Confederation Navy, which promotes him to Brigadier General and sends him on a diplomatic mission to the newly-independant Union of Border Worlds. He later returns to the Confederation to serve as a flight instructor.

Besides, a loan doesn't make any sense. The BW only had two (maybe three, though we never see the Durango) carriers we know about. I doubt the BW was allowed to keep the Princeton. They couldn't afford to loan the Intrepid, Durango or the Tango out. Why would Confed NEED it anyway? If Confed needed a training carrier, they could have kept the Victory in service, or pulled something out of Mothball.
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The Outerworlds Fleet was a little bit more impressive than that - without the captured Confederation ships (TCS Princeton and TCS Mt. St. Helens) they had a carrier force that consisted of two CVEs, two Durango-conversions and two converted ore transports.

The Union of Border Worlds declares independance towards the start of Wing Commander IV and the Confederation does eventually recognize them as a sovereign nation. At that point it was fine for it to have a carrier force... but my *guess* would be that whatever treaty was worked out between the nations made the Confederation responsible for defending the Border Worlds (and turned over units like the Intrepid). We see Border Worlds citizens complaining that the Confederation isn't providing proper forces to defend them in the Secret Ops fiction..

It's also possible that the Border Worlds had no way to upkeep a carrier force - a significant portion of the characters we meet are Confederation Navy officers who have sided with the Union on morale grounds. We know that many of them (Blair, Hawk, Panther, Maniac, Eisen, etc.) return to Confed after the conflict.

Didn't Landriech also loan some of their Escort Carriers to the UBW fleet during TPoF?
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Didn't Landriech return thier carriers to Confed around the BoT
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These go together. The carriers given to the FRLN (including the Tarawa) *were* returned. Two which were given to other Border Worlds militias (presumably to conduct similar raids) were not returned - these are the two that show up in the TPoF novelization.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
These go together. The carriers given to the FRLN (including the Tarawa) *were* returned. Two which were given to other Border Worlds militias (presumably to conduct similar raids) were not returned - these are the two that show up in the TPoF novelization.
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Tarawa and other ships are also purchased by the FRLN after the war to bolster their own fleet. The Tarawa goes on to be renamed the FRLS Independence.
 
Dundradal said:
Tarawa and other ships are also purchased by the FRLN after the war to bolster their own fleet. The Tarawa goes on to be renamed the FRLS Independence.
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They were Independence (TCS Tarawa), Arbroath (TCS Saipan) and Magna Carta (Unknown). Arbroath and Magna Carta may be a different class of CVE - False Colors describes Independence as "our one large carrier".

... but then it calls the Arbroath a sister ship of the Independence later on, so who knows.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
They were Independence (TCS Tarawa), Arbroath (TCS Saipan) and Magna Carta (Unknown). Arbroath and Magna Carta may be a different class of CVE - False Colors describes Independence as "our one large carrier".

... but then it calls the Arbroath a sister ship of the Independence later on, so who knows.
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How long did the Tarawa (Independence) survive? Or is it still active as of Prophecy? I seem to recall it being put out of action at some point following BoT, but I assumed that meant that it was just damaged so badly that it had to withdraw.
 
frostytheplebe said:
How long did the Tarawa (Independence) survive? Or is it still active as of Prophecy? I seem to recall it being put out of action at some point following BoT, but I assumed that meant that it was just damaged so badly that it had to withdraw.
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It was heavily damaged post BOT and spent some time getting repaired. It was bought by the FRL after the war where they completely refitted the ship, making quite a few changes.

As far as we know it's still alive and kicking unless it was lost during the brief 2671-72 conflict between Confed and the FRL, but we know nothing about that conflict except that it occurred.
 
How long did the Tarawa (Independence) survive? Or is it still active as of Prophecy? I seem to recall it being put out of action at some point following BoT, but I assumed that meant that it was just damaged so badly that it had to withdraw.
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Yes, it was crippled in a Kilrathi attack shortly after Bear left for DesRon-67. The hull was sold to the Landreich after the war, who repaired it for their Navy. The last time we see her is at the end of False Colors (2671), and she's still alive then.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
It's also possible that the Border Worlds had no way to upkeep a carrier force - a significant portion of the characters we meet are Confederation Navy officers who have sided with the Union on morale grounds. We know that many of them (Blair, Hawk, Panther, Maniac, Eisen, etc.) return to Confed after the conflict.
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Where is it stated that Panther returned to Confed?
 
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