In Our Dreams (December 16, 2005)
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Come on Chris I want to hear other peoples opinion about what they hope to see in the next Wing Commander game! Not see you moan at someone saying he's wrong when he was right! and you had to ban him as it turned out your right! You make me sick and seem to be like a Nazi! Not letting other people have their say without being scared!
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can't balme a guy for trying! hehe!Quarto said:
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Actually, I can. I wasn't overly happy with seeing you banned in the first place, but the generic "you're a Nazi" anonymous schtick pretty much means you won't be included in the general Christmas amnesty.
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Ok saying he was like a nazi was a bit over the top! But more or less he was saying I was wrong when I was right! Nazi's did styff more or less that by changing what children learned at school to nazi textboxs so Germany was powerful throughout history for example! And they more or less abused their power too! I apologize to any war vets, jews or Germans for any insult!Bandit LOAF said:
p.s. I didn't call him a nazi just said he acted like one (though as I said that was a bit over the top!)
p.s.s. thanks for beliving in me LOAF!
X_FIREFALCON
Spaceman
Wowie...
*finishes reading through the entire thread, then slowly shakes it off*
Anyway, thanks for referencing the article, LOAF. Even as a lesser Wing Commander fan (i.e. one who has profoundly less memorabilia than some), it's always exciting to see positive comments about the series and a hope for its eventual return resonating throughout different masses of people worldwide.
As for the commentary on the Mantu, thanks for that as well...read through it multiple times just to develop a clearer image of the race already conjured up in my head (with the exception of your post, the only accumulated information in my brain about it comes from the ICIS manual and whatever was listed in the Encyclopedia here). With all the ground I'm covering in my own little post-Prophecy trilogy and all the ideas I'm juggling, it might be best to hold off on writing anything about the Mantu, Double Helix, etc., unless I wanted to reference them very briefly. Ehhh who knows...if I ever finish this thing, I may consider another story about the Mantu and/or Double Helix at some point in the future...though I may not want to touch the Double Helix with a fifty foot pole. Hrmm just what in the heck is an "arthropod" anyway?
At any rate, exciting little article there, so my thanks to LeechMachine for finding it and you for relaying it, LOAF, as well as for the info. on the Mantu. I always do my best to keep up on all this alien lore; it's always helpful when writing about these races and characters to know their relations and history towards one another so you can be true to each. So once again, thanks.
Anyway, felt the compulsion to say something in order to help this thread come full circle, and I also wanted to speak up since I haven't said a peep on here for a month or two now, despite visiting it every weekday.
Take care, all, and again (as if I haven't said it enough) thanks.
- FireFalcon ~};^
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Well, we're touching on an odd retcon/contradiction here. In the original Claw Marks the Double Helix are "carbon-based arthropods which communicate through scents and pheromones"... but in all later printings, including Super Wing Commander and The Kilrathi Saga, they're "carbon-based anthropoids which communicate through scents and pheromones".
That is to say, we don't know whether they're supposed to be smelly spiders (arthropods) or smelly monkeys (anthropoids).
No problem, happy to do it. There's a somewhat cleaned up/enhanced version in my livejournal.
Chevieblazer
Spaceman
propably smelly four-legged spiders with tails who love to climb
X_FIREFALCON
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Checked out your journal entry, LOAF. It's pretty much a rehashed version of what you posted in this thread or....*compares the dates* vice-versa? At any rate, still a good read, so thanks for sharing. I'll try and do my part the next time I see one of those "the Nephilim are the Mantu" inaccurate theory discussions pop up.
As for the Double Helix...heh, thanks for adding a whole other level of complexity to things! I again bow to your superior Wing Commander knowledge...I hadn't realized there was a discrepancy in the explanation of the Double Helix in different sources. Smelly spiders or smelly monkeys are the choices, huh? Or is "arthropods" a general group that includes insects? I guess based on the very brief description, I came to think of them as something similar to ants.
At any rate, I suppose that's a discussion for some other time, and as I already said, it wouldn't be included in the huge trilogy I'm working on anyway...so such knowledge would just be for my random miscellaneous edification rather than important as any kind of plot point I mean to introduce anytime in the next eon.
Maybe if and when the time comes, I'll start up a new thread about it to bounce ideas off you and the rest of the community about the little known subject of the Double Helix and the Mantu (unless, of course, such a discussion has been raised on these boards to the Nth degree already, and I'd just be bugging everybody by repeating history).
But anyway, thanks again for everything as always, LOAF.
And:
Heh, now there's a thought. That's one crazy idea...I guess you never know, but the thought of a smelly four-legged spider with a prehensile tail swinging from tree to tree creeps me out.
As always, take care, everybody, and thanks for the brief little side chat here.
Rock on.
- FireFalcon ~};^
I'll try and do my part the next time I see one of those "the Nephilim are the Mantu" inaccurate theory discussions pop up. As for the Double Helix...heh, thanks for adding a whole other level of complexity to things!
I again bow to your superior Wing Commander knowledge...I hadn't realized there was a discrepancy in the explanation of the Double Helix in different sources. Smelly spiders or smelly monkeys are the choices, huh? Or is "arthropods" a general group that includes insects? I guess based on the very brief description, I came to think of them as something similar to ants.At any rate, I suppose that's a discussion for some other time, and as I already said, it wouldn't be included in the huge trilogy I'm working on anyway...so such knowledge would just be for my random miscellaneous edification rather than important as any kind of plot point I mean to introduce anytime in the next eon.
Maybe if and when the time comes, I'll start up a new thread about it to bounce ideas off you and the rest of the community about the little known subject of the Double Helix and the Mantu (unless, of course, such a discussion has been raised on these boards to the Nth degree already, and I'd just be bugging everybody by repeating history).
But anyway, thanks again for everything as always, LOAF.
And:
Chevieblazer said:
Heh, now there's a thought.
That's one crazy idea...I guess you never know, but the thought of a smelly four-legged spider with a prehensile tail swinging from tree to tree creeps me out. As always, take care, everybody, and thanks for the brief little side chat here.
Rock on.
- FireFalcon ~};^
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Hehe, I do like the monkey-spider visual. It's weeeeird.
Arhtorpods includes insects, crustaceans, spiders and centipede-type critters... I guess I'd kind of like to see space crabs at some point.
Arhtorpods includes insects, crustaceans, spiders and centipede-type critters... I guess I'd kind of like to see space crabs at some point.
I'm still dumbfounded that EA has done nothing with the husk of the Wing Commander series that they recieved when they absorbed Origin into their bloated innards. Instead of releasing "Medal of Honor Expansion #5", they could do well to take their collective heads out of their collective asses and realize the lucrative market for another WC game.
The next Wing Commander game should have the following features:
-MULTIPLAYER. I mean actual multiplayer. I'm talking dogfighting, Carrier VS Carrier, Cooperative Play, and Teamtalk support, so us Wing Commander Fans can insult eachother with greater frequency.
-Both a Terran and a Kilrathi campaign. When you play as the Kilrathi, it takes place right after the Terran missions leave off, and should be an aadded challenge. This could fit right in with a Terran/Kilrathi Alliance.
-Good graphics. Computers have progressed enough that we could see some truely awesome ships. Think about it: a spaceship is way easier to model than a person.
http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/pics/mi-go_bw02.jpg
The next Wing Commander game should have the following features:
-MULTIPLAYER. I mean actual multiplayer. I'm talking dogfighting, Carrier VS Carrier, Cooperative Play, and Teamtalk support, so us Wing Commander Fans can insult eachother with greater frequency.
-Both a Terran and a Kilrathi campaign. When you play as the Kilrathi, it takes place right after the Terran missions leave off, and should be an aadded challenge. This could fit right in with a Terran/Kilrathi Alliance.
-Good graphics. Computers have progressed enough that we could see some truely awesome ships. Think about it: a spaceship is way easier to model than a person.
Here's a potential inspiration: Lovecraft's Fungi from Yuggoth.
http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/pics/mi-go_bw02.jpg
Quarto
Unknown Enemy
And where, pray tell, is this lucrative market? EA isn't run by idiots who arbitrarily decide that there's a market for this and no market for that - it's run by people smart enough to look at statistics, sales patterns and so on to determine what there really is a market for. If there was a lucrative market for another WC game, they'd already have released on.Fatcat said:
Well, you have to remember that terms like "arthropod" and so on are really just used to evoke a certain image - obviously, the Double Helix are neither arthropod nor anthropoid, because in order to be either of those, they would have to be from Earth (in the same way, the Kilrathi aren't really felinescff said:
). Since they're not from Earth, there's certainly no reason for us to assume that they can't be weird smelly monkey-spider creatures.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Electronic Arts paid for every Wing Commander title from Wing Commander 2 Deluxe forward -- they've certainly done a lot with the license.
Mace
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fact is that the game audience has changed. they make money on selling the games, it is better for them to sell more copies to people who play it and leave it, then people who will be replaying their once-bought copy for over ten years.
you and i want wing commander 6, many more want fifa 2006 or NFL 2006. like any company, be sure to make products who sell best in the first place.
and they have done a lot with the license, wing commander 3 and 4 were very big-budgeted games, and the money to create this was coming from EA. they did not just buy the license, they have used it, and still preserve it, while they do not earn a single dollar from it these days. if they planned to never use it again, it would have been up for sale, and i'm pretty some people here would invest their live savings to obtain it. but those live savings are peanuts for a company like EA.
you and i want wing commander 6, many more want fifa 2006 or NFL 2006. like any company, be sure to make products who sell best in the first place.
and they have done a lot with the license, wing commander 3 and 4 were very big-budgeted games, and the money to create this was coming from EA. they did not just buy the license, they have used it, and still preserve it, while they do not earn a single dollar from it these days. if they planned to never use it again, it would have been up for sale, and i'm pretty some people here would invest their live savings to obtain it. but those live savings are peanuts for a company like EA.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Fatcat said:
I don't think you understand, Electronic Arts released nearly *every* Wing Commander game. EA didn't buy Origin and close up shop -- they owned Origin through pretty much the entire Wing Commander franchise.
ChrisReid
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Fatcat said:
Right, so with a less crowded market, those space sims should have done pretty well, and they very much have not for the most part. As LOAF already clearly pointed out, EA released almost the entire Wing Commander series, and there were half a dozen serious attempts to release games after Secret Ops that didn't pan out for one reason or another.