How was the Concordia downed?

Question to LOAF:
If the main weapon is for immobile targets, it would be fixed forward, right? if so, if a ship is moving pretty slow, it should be able to aim and fire it at that ship, right?

BTW, what are the weapons of the Sivar (PD, batteries, torpedo, other weapons?)
 
uhh, is the Vesuvius in the FMV right? i mean when it turned really really fast to engage the Intrepid
 
uhh, is the Vesuvius in the FMV right? i mean when it turned really really fast to engage the Intrepid
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That actually wasn't that fast -- watch the scene again... you cut away while it's turning and then back to it. It takes Vesuvius 30 seconds to do a 180 degree turn.

If the main weapon is for immobile targets, it would be fixed forward, right? if so, if a ship is moving pretty slow, it should be able to aim and fire it at that ship, right?
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...? Did you play SM1? It *can't* fire at capships. The ship *is* a large, specialized weapon for attacking large targets like colonies.

BTW, what are the weapons of the Sivar (PD, batteries, torpedo, other weapons?)
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Single-Mount Point Defense Lasers (6)
Tripe-Mount Laser Batteries (5)
Single-Mount Laser Batteries (2)
Double-Mount Laser Batteries (15)
IR Missile Turret (2)

I've to admit that it's always and again fascinating that you really locate EVERY single typo in any name/thing connected in any way to any WC related thing
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Ehh, it's just a common error -- there's a ship named Bainbridge in the WCIV novel, and for some reason everybody assumes it's a "respelling" of Admiral Banbridge's name. The ship is named after William Bainbridge, an early American naval hero.
 
So how many fleets does Confed have? And are they all the same size or does it depend on where in Confed territory? What ever the case, do they all follow the same ratio of ships [like one cruiser to one CVE to two destroyers, as in the Independence group or one cruiser to one fleet carrier to four destroyers like the Concordia group in the beginning of FA or what ever else they may use] or do they customize each fleet to its mission and position?

So how many different types of cruisers are we thinking? Heavy cruisers and light cruisers, did the Kats have any other cruiser types around the Battle of Earth?
 
Originally posted by Darth Thrakhath
Good point, but I think that when the kats are coming at earth, piracy and other planets kind of dont matter.
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Then answer this:
What's the point of winning the Battle of Terra if the rest of Confed gets overrun while you're winning it?
The Battle of Terra wasn't the end of the war. No matter how desperate things may have been, there was still the rest of the war to be fought, and while it may have been a critical battle, it didn't justify leaving the rest of Confed defenseless.
Similarly, the Kilrathi using all of their outlying ships from every last system in the Kilrathi Empire to fight the Battle of Terra would have been stupid. Sure, it practically would have guaranteed a win (unless Confed had done the same thing), but in the meantime, some daring Confed commander in an outlying sector (Gemini, perhaps) would have taken his strikefleet and proceeded to nuke an entire sector's worth of Kilrathi systems.
Terra versus an entire sector. Which do you think is more valuable?
 
Originally posted by Newcommanderondablock
If the main weapon is for immobile targets, it would be fixed forward, right? if so, if a ship is moving pretty slow, it should be able to aim and fire it at that ship, right?
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If a guy is half a mile away, I'm not going to be able to hit him with a field gun, even if he isn't moving, except through blind luck (direct hits only - HE blasts don't count). The gun simply isn't accurate enough to hit a person. Buildings, on the other hand, will get plugged every time.
The Sivar is designed to shoot at planets. With that in mind, the chances that the weapon can be used successfully against a ship are extremely low. The weapon may be inherently inaccurate. It could be that the problem is tied to the targetting software on the Sivar. The problem is that the weapon was built with the idea of using it against colonies. Colonies are pretty hard to miss, and aren't going to require much accuracy. Ships, on the other hand, depending on the range involved, are a much more difficult proposition.
 
no one answered my question...
i asked, what would be a good kilrathi match against the Connie then. OR what would be a good Confed match against a WC3 Dread?
 
Maybe no one has an answer to your question?

Consider this: With her PTC, finding an equal match for the Connie shouldbe hard from the ships we see from the games. They mostly put Fralthras against the Concordia in WC2, it's a bit faster and more heavily armoured but way less heavily armed. Without the PTC a Fralthra might be (that's purely speculative) a match for the Concorida during a capship battle.
 
LOAF:
What was the weapon on the Sivar then? And what were its stats?

Thats a feild weapon junior, not a bloody huge weapon on a ship that can move like all the others (i assume). Also, if you fire a bazooka at a guy, you have to compensate for the range and speed of the weapon so that if it continues on the course you think so it will hit (get what im saying?). So if the weapon of the SIvar's did fire, it could still hit an enemy ship if the right trajectory is used. :cool:
 
LOAF:
What was the weapon on the Sivar then? And what were its stats?

Thats a feild weapon junior, not a bloody huge weapon on a ship that can move like all the others (i assume). Also, if you fire a bazooka at a guy, you have to compensate for the range and speed of the weapon so that if it continues on the course you think so it will hit (get what im saying?). So if the weapon of the SIvar's did fire, it could still hit an enemy ship if the right trajectory is used.
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For the third time, I'll ask: have you played The Secret Missions? I ask not out of idle curiosity -- it's important to understanding the Sivar.

The Sivar isn't a dreadnaught which happens to have a large gun... it's a ship that was specifically created around the technology of the weapon. It serves no other purpose than to blow up colonies. The weapon itself is called (by the Kilrathi) the Proton Accelerator Gun... and it increases the gravity of a target causing it to explode. But it's *not* a point and click gun type thing -- its an entirely unique weapon which takes time to lock a target and then more time to effectively destroy said target. We're not talking a big ball of instant gratification like an anti-matter gun. It's not something that can be used against ships.

i asked, what would be a good kilrathi match against the Connie then. OR what would be a good Confed match against a WC3 Dread?
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Three Fralthra would be a good match for a Confederation class ship. Similar amounts of fighters and the additional mobility/AMGs would make up for the Phase Transit Cannon.

I suppose Confed's elusive stealth dreadnought would be the equal of the Kilrathi H'var Kann class...
 
Originally posted by dacis2
"stealth dreadnought"?
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It's the Black project mentioned in Fleet Action - the Kilrathi spent five years developing their supercarriers for that novel, but the Confederation have also been building a new class of capship which was more 'along the lines of a Stealth battleship' with rumors drifting about of a new weapon to be mounted upon it.
 
Originally posted by dacis2
they never got round to doing it?
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The conservative estimates for getting one of those ships up was about '18 months', about two weeks before the Battle of Terra. That was late 2668, IIRC. The war ended 2669.267, if you recall - the Behemoth Project was pushed forward, failed, then the Temblor bomb took Kilrah. So by the time they'd get one of those ships out - the War'd be over, and the economic collapse would've kicked in, as shown in WC4.
 
These are the possibilities involving the fate fo the Omega Project:


1) It didn't survive the explosion of the Joint Chiefs and the review that would undoubtedly follow with the new staff.

2) The program continued until the end of the war, wasn't completed in time, and was cancelled with the budget cuts

3) The program survived through the budget cuts because very few people knew of its existance. The program was then cancelled with the investigation into black ops that followed the Black Lance affair.

4) The Dreadnaught was developed, we just haven't seen it.
 
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